Find fields & stores near you!
Find fields and stores
Zipcode
PbNation News
PbNation News
Community Focus
Community Focus

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-27-2014, 09:10 PM #1
tyronejk
titular
 
tyronejk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Atlanta, GA
tyronejk is an NCPA player
tyronejk plays in the APPA D5 division
Higher "safe" velocity for 50 cal

Has anybody tried setting a higher velocity limit for 50 cal? I don't know what formula is used to determine what a "safe" velocity is, but if it depends on energy or momentum, 50 cal should be shot at a higher velocity, which could help increase popularity by offsetting its disadvantage of higher drag per unit mass.
__________________
Current markers: Clone VX | Empire Resurrection | Lasoya Promaster | Double-barrel Ion | PM5

Theoretical max efficiency of a marker
Automated paintball turret
tyronejk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Sponsored Links Remove Advertisement
Advertisement
Old 01-27-2014, 09:47 PM #2
Horizon
 
 
Horizon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
Horizon is a member of the Paintball Operators' Association
Quote:
Originally Posted by tyronejk View Post
Has anybody tried setting a higher velocity limit for 50 cal? I don't know what formula is used to determine what a "safe" velocity is, but if it depends on energy or momentum, 50 cal should be shot at a higher velocity, which could help increase popularity by offsetting its disadvantage of higher drag per unit mass.
ASTM standards say 300 fps maximum for any caliber size. In Europe and possibly other places, they use energy ratings, so in those places 50 cal can be shot at higher velocities than their 68 cal cousins.

The games we run with 50 cal, we actually turn them down lower than our 68 cal rentals, but then we are running "Low Impact" paintball games with 50 cal.
Horizon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2014, 10:02 PM #3
tyronejk
titular
 
tyronejk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Atlanta, GA
tyronejk is an NCPA player
tyronejk plays in the APPA D5 division
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon View Post
ASTM standards say 300 fps maximum for any caliber size. In Europe and possibly other places, they use energy ratings, so in those places 50 cal can be shot at higher velocities than their 68 cal cousins.

The games we run with 50 cal, we actually turn them down lower than our 68 cal rentals, but then we are running "Low Impact" paintball games with 50 cal.
Is 50 cal any more popular in Europe than it is in the States? If not, that debunks my theory.

Though 50 cal does fill a niche by your example. If it were more common and cheaper, maybe more kids would get involved in paintball.
__________________
Current markers: Clone VX | Empire Resurrection | Lasoya Promaster | Double-barrel Ion | PM5

Theoretical max efficiency of a marker
Automated paintball turret
tyronejk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2014, 10:11 PM #4
PB Innovations
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
I believe I read somewhere that in the UK they can shoot 50 cal at 325 fps while 68 cal is limited to 280fps or maybe it was Australia....
As horizon said, most field owners are offering it as a "low impact game". We have had good luck with testing paint at velocities as high as 350fps and still have a decent shot without to much distortion, but it definitely works better sub 300 fps.
50 caliber in the UK is very popular, especially compared to here in the states.
__________________
Make Your .68 Caliber Marker Multi-Caliber-Ask Us How!
Don
Paintball Innovations
50 Caliber Solutions for the Field Owner
www.paintballinnovations.com
PB Innovations is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2014, 10:13 PM #5
Horizon
 
 
Horizon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
Horizon is a member of the Paintball Operators' Association
Quote:
Originally Posted by tyronejk View Post
Is 50 cal any more popular in Europe than it is in the States? If not, that debunks my theory.
Not sure, but I bet there are some people who live in Europe on PBN that might be able to answer that for you.


Quote:
Originally Posted by tyronejk View Post
Though 50 cal does fill a niche by your example. If it were more common and cheaper, maybe more kids would get involved in paintball.
It's hugely popular with the 10 to 13-14 year old crowd. Also hugely popular with their parents.
Horizon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2014, 09:15 AM #6
PaintballofOKC
 
 
PaintballofOKC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Oklahoma City
anything too low and might as well play laser tag or splatmaster.
PaintballofOKC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2014, 10:47 AM #7
Horizon
 
 
Horizon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
Horizon is a member of the Paintball Operators' Association
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaintballofOKC View Post
anything too low and might as well play laser tag or splatmaster.
I agree. I feel Splatmaster, although it may have it's place, is too low to be considered part of our "extreme" sport of paintball. We chrono our rentals between 250 and 260 fps for our Low Impact 50 caliber paintball. That decreases the energy substantially compared to 68 caliber but it's still paintball. I made a small chart on our website for my customers to make a comparison. http://tntpaintball.com/the-physics/
Horizon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2014, 09:16 PM #8
CrazyDriver84
I Snipe with PSP Mode
 
CrazyDriver84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Plymouth, MI
Annual Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
CrazyDriver84 supports Sherwood Forest
CrazyDriver84 supports Sherwood Forest
CrazyDriver84 has achieved Level 3 in PbNation Pursuit
Great chart. I just showed my 9 year old and I think I am going to get her out this year. A field by me is starting low impact .50 games.
CrazyDriver84 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2014, 02:10 PM #9
tweeter4
OX Freedom
 
tweeter4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Lancaster PA
tweeter4 owns a Planet Eclipse Lv1
tweeter4 posts videos on PbNation
tweeter4 plays in the APPA D4 division
tweeter4 is one of the top 1000 posters on PbNation
We used to mess around playing outlaw ball with .50 cal when they first came out. We would normally chrono at 350 with no issue.
tweeter4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2014, 05:47 PM #10
2hits
 
 
2hits's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Michigan
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyDriver84 View Post
Great chart. I just showed my 9 year old and I think I am going to get her out this year. A field by me is starting low impact .50 games.
That's awesome to hear Crazy! I am assuming it is HSI you are talking about and I was happy when I saw that they added low impact .50. I'll never play it myself, but the field will make more money which means they will be open for us .68 caliber players longer!
2hits is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2014, 08:45 PM #11
soccerguy243
Air Force Paintball #19
 
soccerguy243's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Wichita, KS
soccerguy243 owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
soccerguy243 owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
soccerguy243 is an NCPA player
soccerguy243 plays in the APPA D5 division
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...1#post74158681

a field owner with what seems to be successful use of .50 cal for the youngsters.
__________________
FOR SALE
Crossfire HP 4500psi reg, Ninja 4500psi Reg


"If you're not shooting, moving or talking, you shouldn't be on the field."-Tyler Michaud
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE Pilot
soccerguy243 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2014, 03:32 AM #12
MrRamTASTIC
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
well at the place i play they have .50 cal chrono at 240 FPS
MrRamTASTIC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2014, 10:57 AM #13
Pump Scout
Old gun,new gun,whatever
 
Pump Scout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Central Wisconsin
Annual Supporting Member
Pump Scout is a Mega Moderator
Pump Scout is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
Pump Scout is BST Legit
Pump Scout is one of the top 100 posters on PbNation
FWIW, I've been shot with a 50cal round at about 325. Had a Spyder on CO2 go kind of hot, and couldn't get it below 295 regardless. Very noticeable sting and welt left behind, actually a little worse than 68cal. We were doing a golf outing using a human target (me) as a charity shoot at one of the golf holes. This year, I switched out to my Resurrection set to 265.
__________________
WISCONSIN NAVARONE
Secret Squirret stuff going on
Inception Designs . . . Stalker Paintball . . . Empire Paintball

Flying to events? Check out BHTP to protect your travel and your bags!
Pump Scout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2014, 12:45 PM #14
Horizon
 
 
Horizon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
Horizon is a member of the Paintball Operators' Association
We set ours at about 250 for our rental games and try to get relatively brittle paintballs.
Horizon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
Forum Jump