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Old 09-28-2009, 10:39 AM #64
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You guys are bashing a good guy and a solid photographer for no reason. Not all leagues guarantee pictures of every team. I play the PSP as well and not every team gets coverage. The AXBL/Hoofhearted productions work hard to provide almost if not every team with coverage. Thumbs up to the AXBL and its photographers this year.
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:04 AM #65
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:05 AM #66
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You guys are bashing a good guy and a solid photographer for no reason. Not all leagues guarantee pictures of every team. I play the PSP as well and not every team gets coverage. The AXBL/Hoofhearted productions work hard to provide almost if not every team with coverage. Thumbs up to the AXBL and its photographers this year.
The difference between the PSP and the AXBL is that the AXBL provides a photographer for the league. The PSP does not. In fact, no other national/regional league as far as I know has a photographer on staff. The AXBL again is the only league that I am aware of that does this.
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:43 AM #67
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The difference between the PSP and the AXBL is that the AXBL provides a photographer for the league. The PSP does not. In fact, no other national/regional league as far as I know has a photographer on staff. The AXBL again is the only league that I am aware of that does this.
Ok. Which is a huge plus for the league and the players.
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:55 AM #68
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Ok. Which is a huge plus for the league and the players.
Correct.

These seem to be the arguements that some players are making regarding photography:

1) the quality of photos taken and produced by Hoofhearted does not match that of outfits such as VX or Visually Implied. They feel that the free-lance outfits are providing better quality work than what the league provides.

2) players are complaining that some of their matches weren't covered period. If the league hires a photographer to cover all the matches, shouldn't that photographer cover all the matches?

3) it would appear that at least one player complained about paying for work from Hoofhearted and got another teams pictures.

That seems to be the basics of what players are talking about in regards to the photography situation in the league. Don appears to be a hard working guy and puts out some decent work, however, to say that there aren't better photographers out there is just foolhardy.
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Old 09-28-2009, 12:03 PM #69
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Correct.

These seem to be the arguements that some players are making regarding photography:

1) the quality of photos taken and produced by Hoofhearted does not match that of outfits such as VX or Visually Implied. They feel that the free-lance outfits are providing better quality work than what the league provides.

2) players are complaining that some of their matches weren't covered period. If the league hires a photographer to cover all the matches, shouldn't that photographer cover all the matches?

3) it would appear that at least one player complained about paying for work from Hoofhearted and got another teams pictures.

That seems to be the basics of what players are talking about in regards to the photography situation in the league. Don appears to be a hard working guy and puts out some decent work, however, to say that there aren't better photographers out there is just foolhardy.
1. So those players who want a higher quality should pay for it from VI or VX.

2. It is pretty hard to cover three matches at once.

3. Legitimate complaint. I have nothing to say.
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Overall great season..

Reffing- was not as bad as people complain it was. Our team had too many penalties to speak of and all (but one i can remember) was entirely deserved by our team because of our inexperience to xball and the leauge.

Photography- no complaints here. people need to realize the AXBL is a business and with right minds shouldnt let people get on the field for free to take pictures. It only makes sense to charge a media pass. Every team got pictures taken of them by Don and yeah may not be top notch work like other companies but he covers everyone.

Venues- were all decent. Pittsburgh was the best by far although they only had two fields, but boston and sodus had quantity but not exactly the best quality.
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Old 09-28-2009, 12:10 PM #71
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2. It is pretty hard to cover three matches at once.
No its not.

Photographer A covers 1st half of field 1
Photographer B covers 1st half of field 2
Photographer A covers 2nd half of field 3

Rotate that out between photographer A and B and your matches are covered. Yes, some teams may have received less coverage due to halves not always ending at the same time, but everyone got coverage last year when I worked for Don/AXBL.
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Old 09-28-2009, 12:56 PM #72
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Correct.

These seem to be the arguements that some players are making regarding photography:

1) the quality of photos taken and produced by Hoofhearted does not match that of outfits such as VX or Visually Implied. They feel that the free-lance outfits are providing better quality work than what the league provides.

2) players are complaining that some of their matches weren't covered period. If the league hires a photographer to cover all the matches, shouldn't that photographer cover all the matches?

3) it would appear that at least one player complained about paying for work from Hoofhearted and got another teams pictures.
That seems to be the basics of what players are talking about in regards to the photography situation in the league. Don appears to be a hard working guy and puts out some decent work, however, to say that there aren't better photographers out there is just foolhardy.

Don gave me a disc with the wrong pics on it but made it right very quickly and gave me a free team poster to make up for the mistake.... just that, an honest mistake. If that is the worse thing Don does at the events, then I say he is doing a pretty good job. Not a big deal about the disc and a good guy to deal with. He has alot to deal with covering all the games and dealing with whiney, spoiled kids. I say thumbs up to Hoof Hearted and all the other photographers. That has to be a tough job and no fun, just about like reffing. I can tell you we all appreciate the coverage we get from all the media people.

All the problems mentioned are pretty minor and can be easily repaired for 2010. I also like the idea of lowering the rate of fire for next season.
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but think that a fairground or a sporting facility would be a great place to hold events. Of course if they were cost effective.


Rules... maybe a revamping of some of them. Mostly the hand through the net or box when hanging the flag. I'm sure there are other ones that should be thought about and looked at changing.

you really think putting it at a fairgroud is cost effective? or even could be in any way what so ever compaired to a paintball field?

and the hand though the box? did you even play this year? they changed that rule before the year started....now....they are how ever VERY strict about you putting even the tip of your toe over the line or out of bounds in any way what so ever. but thats a good thing...you shouldnt be able to step out of bounds...
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Old 09-28-2009, 01:20 PM #74
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you really think putting it at a fairgroud is cost effective? or even could be in any way what so ever compaired to a paintball field?

and the hand though the box? did you even play this year? they changed that rule before the year started....now....they are how ever VERY strict about you putting even the tip of your toe over the line or out of bounds in any way what so ever. but thats a good thing...you shouldnt be able to step out of bounds...
I saw points not happen because a player went "out of bounds" while hanging the flag.

That shouldn't happen.

Also, JDev fine. It is easy to cover three matches. Doesn't change the fact people shouldn't be complaining about free stuff.
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Old 09-28-2009, 01:36 PM #75
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if we go to maynard again, do something about the parking situation, cut down some trees or something...having to walk from upper parking alot with full gearbag because shuttle wasnt running and they couldnt find the driver was a joke
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Old 09-28-2009, 01:43 PM #76
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See the thing is these pictures are not free. Remember those players fees? and franchise fees? Where do you think the money for the league photographers comes from? They're not doing it out of their own good will. People tend to forget that they pay alot up front for this league and take everything given to them as "free"

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you really think putting it at a fairgroud is cost effective? or even could be in any way what so ever compaired to a paintball field?

and the hand though the box? did you even play this year? they changed that rule before the year started....now....they are how ever VERY strict about you putting even the tip of your toe over the line or out of bounds in any way what so ever. but thats a good thing...you shouldnt be able to step out of bounds...

Yes, I played every event. We lost a few points because of the way we hung a flag. Granted it did not cost us because we didnt lose a match because of it. But obviously there are other people on here that lost points because of it. I just do not like that rule. Just get the flag to the station any way you can.....
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I saw points not happen because a player went "out of bounds" while hanging the flag.

That shouldn't happen.

Also, JDev fine. It is easy to cover three matches. Doesn't change the fact people shouldn't be complaining about free stuff.
There's a big difference between free and included.
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There's a big difference between free and included.
On the same note, who would you rather your free/included pictures coming from?

Hoofhearted?
VX?
Easy Target?
Visually Implied?

The league picks the photographer. You pick whether you want to pay more for quality by hiring a 3rd party, or you want the league to include a quality photograpy company on their staff for the season to provide players quality work.
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Thank you! People are realizing my point, but besides that whole problem..

The flag hang rule is rediculous, along with the start box size. The final event changed the size though.

No complaints on Maynard, however i didn't play on the uneven field.

I like the current BPS, but i wouldn't mind if it lowered. I wouldn't want it lower than 12.5 bps, though.

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And some ranking system, so players or teams that get bumped down, can't just change teams/ teams changing names, or at least some way that keeps track of how many players that get bumped down, are on a new team, in the same league. Does that make sense?
I don't know if people misunderstood me here, but to further explain the point of this, it will prevent players from playing in a division, they are not ready for. It will make the skill, and competition better in the league.

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I think the start box size is arbitrary.
PSP has larger start boxes but the size AXBL uses seems pretty standard for 5man. So if you want to please the people, go bigger but its not that big a deal.

I don't think I have heard one positive comment of the current flag hang rule.
I understand that it is a safety issue to not have players run wild hanging the flag.

Instead of the current rule, why not make it so your hands can break the plane of the box but your feet must stay in bounds.

You still get the benefit of safety since you need your feet in bounds but you don't have to be worried about your hand breaking the plane of the box by an inch. Honestly the point is over when the flag is being hung and sometimes you can't tell if you are breaking the plane when the netting is moving about
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I've read all the posts. What I get out of it. There are more concerns about photographers and personal pictures than improving the league. I remember a time when players were more concerned about winning and developing skills.

Good points brought up.

1) Breaking the Dead Box Plain! Needs Serious Work.
2) Reffing - No consistency from field to field. Some reffs were great I question if others actually played paintball other than their X-Box.
3) 5 Minute Penalties - The cleat shot in PA. The foot shot in Sodus. The list is long. Both areas a player would never feel the hit. Both and others were Majors. Better definition between Minor and Major Penalties. This will only come with better trained reffs.
4) Maynard was great! Sodus Was Great! AAPP was awesome! But 9 hour drives to play one event at 2/4 PM is crazy. Someone brought up "BYE's" to play multiple games for everyone. Awesome idea.
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On the same note, who would you rather your free/included pictures coming from?

Hoofhearted?
VX?
Easy Target?
Visually Implied?

The league picks the photographer. You pick whether you want to pay more for quality by hiring a 3rd party, or you want the league to include a quality photograpy company on their staff for the season to provide players quality work.
Exactly. Being a suggestion thread, I suggest in my first post that the league review their options for a photography company with Visually Implied being my first choice
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Jesus christ why are pictures even brought up in this thread?

You pay to play the game not get pictures taken.

There is no difference between free and included in this case. If there were no photographers allowed would it change your decision on the league? No it wouldn't so WAWAWA some more.
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