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Old 09-16-2009, 09:37 AM #1
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2010 Local Tourney Scene, Rehashed


So there is this thread over at the NEPL forums (http://thenepl.com/forums/index.php?...pic=17874&st=0) and it's got me to thinking about the local scene again. PROBABLY just a waste of my time, but I want to see NE paintball come back.

And while it seems to me that Lori (well, Boston Paintball) did everything everyone was asking for (including me), there still seems to be some sense of ... I can't quite peg the word correctly, but let's call it disquietude out there.

Ok, so it's fair that changes will take time to percolate to all the teams, so a change today likely won't drive results until a week from Tuesday. Likewise, it is fair to note that the economy sucks and people simply don't have the disposable income they once did, so they will be less inclined to pay even if they are happy with the services they recieve in return. Or maybe they want more back from the same dollar spent.

Someone from the Bonus Ballaz made the statement, "But it's becoming more like practice without a serious division to play in, and we don't feel like paying that much for an event we don't feel we, or the league, is ready for." So, I started to think, "why is it like a practice? What makes it not a serious division? Why do you feel the league isn't ready for it?"

So, I wanted to throw this out there for people to enlighten me. There is an answer out there, although I'm sure someone or someones won't end up liking it. If the division is weak, maybe it should go away and the teams split up to double the size of an Int. division? Maybe the division should be run like it was the last event, with just a prelims, while Int teams are given a year to catch up to help boost the division in 2011? Maybe we just need more rotations and organized practices, although it is unclear to me how many teams attend those.

So... thoughts?

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Old 09-16-2009, 10:07 AM #2
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IMHO I think that the Am. division is still serious and that every team in it has the skill to compete. I could see where spending the amount of money it cost to win in the division wouldn't be justified if a team only played 4 other teams.But maybe its more of "we don't want to get smashed because we didn't practice so we won't waste our money" mentality. So I guess its more of a bragging rights issue. Does that make the teams that won E4 for Am. less "legit" because there were only 5 teams. No. And if the division is to "practice like" then open it up. If we want it to be legit. Why not open it. It just pisses me off to end when teams piss and moan about not having enough competition when the captains chose that route at the meeting. Open the division in 2010. Of course there will be those teams that wine "I don't want to get smashed by some stacked team." Who the hell cares. It really seems like most of the heart in paintball has left New England, and its really sad. For the rest of the season, unless there are enough teams, run the prelim format in the AM. div. Next season we will se the top Int. teams, hopefully, bump. By hopefully I mean they don't fall apart at the end of the season.
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:15 AM #3
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Well, is there something that can be done to support those teams? By the league or by other teams?

I think the "i don't want to spend money to lose" factor is high on the minds of teams being asked to bump up. So if we evened things out a bit more, cut back on competition in the am division but increase it a bit in the int division so that we end up with one large 7man division next year and then let things grow from there.
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But then there are those lower tier Int. teams. Still with the money issue. But maybe a single 7-man Division is where we all need to head. But then again, what about the teams that are at the top of the Am. Division? How does adding teams that they can walk through make them fight harder.
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:27 AM #5
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It doesn't.
Those teams get split in two and form 2 Int teams each.
Or they break up.
The "Top" of a division of 5 teams is not worth saving if saving requires the bulk of teams to be lost.
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:37 AM #6
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That bump is honestly looking like a death sentence right now. We get bumped out of a division that plays into a division of teams who don’t play.

Its more than just events Am teams seems to attend less rotations than Int teams.

Perhaps thats the nature of advancing up. You have to work harder to get teams to practice that are on your level.
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what about those teams that get smashed every event now(they exist)...but still keep coming back...what is it that keeps them coming back?
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Old 09-16-2009, 12:39 PM #8
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what about those teams that get smashed every event now(they exist)...but still keep coming back...what is it that keeps them coming back?
I would assume it's determination. But I could be wrong. They obviously have some sort of motivation. Becoming better players maybe, learning from live tournament experience, self dedication to become better players overall, I really can't say for sure without some further insight from one of those teams.
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Old 09-16-2009, 12:52 PM #10
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Dont get me wrong I love 7 man. I have played many NEPLs in 7 man and I played 7 man nationally. My teams, like alot of others have been focusing on xball, which seeems to be the only real secure league in our sport. We dont have the funding to go out our way to play 7 man, or I am sure we would. We have plenty of talented players who have played 7 man before.

You want to see NE get big again? There has obviously been a huge switch this season from 7 man to xball and you can tell that 7 man has sort of died in NE with the results of the NEPL's this year. We need to regroup our effort to bring a xball into the tournament scene. This will drawer teams, including xball rotations versus 7 man rotations. We have been up to Fox4 to practice and it seems that dave runs a tight ship up there.

Its hard for teams to want to support a dying format. Maybe thats just me. I like 7 man and the NEPL, I have nothing against either, but with the nature of sponsors pockets and the limited funds we can put together, its hard to say you will draw alot of teams to 7 man when majority of the top players in NE have switched to xball.
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But what about the NEXL, that has been attempted all season? Where was your team? Not to call anyone out, but it's either ditch 7man for xball and force a switch. Or continue this...
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AXBL-Eastern Conference...they did choose a side.

Seems like many teams made the switch to Xball and picked the AXBL over the NEXL.

And when your traveling out of CT to MA, NY and PA for the 4 events a year I doubt you have the cash laying around to spend on the NEXL.

I wonder if there is room for 2 regional Xball leagues. Perhaps the players who would play are already playing in the AXBL.
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Maybe the nepl needs a better product. FOXball is gaining interest, is there room now for maybe 3 regional xball leagues? Doesn't seem that way. Hope I'm very wrong.
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discribe "better product".

All the AXBL guys what makes it "better"?
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Old 09-16-2009, 04:45 PM #16
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discribe "better product".

All the AXBL guys what makes it "better"?
ive played NEPL's for a while and i have been to only 2 AXBL events and i find it alot more welcoming. i think they do more for the players. one event they supplied water and fruit in the pits for the players.
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From a first time AXBL Team Assistant.

1) Travel/Hotel/Meal expenses. - This alone will almost cover one 5 Man NEPL Novice event.

Boston is a lot more travel friendly

2) Rewards for placing high in the league. None unless you win the NAX Championship.

NEPL- Rewards for top four of each division

3)Reffing - NEPL events are reffed far better than any, and I was at all the events, than any AXBL event I attended.

I have horror stories about some of the reffing I observed. 5 Minute Majors for a cleat shot (Bottom of the foot) is one of many. Wiping un-penalized in front of a ref is another. Paid reffs not showing for an event. The list goes on.

4) AXBL allows teams to bring their own paint. Helps alot if you have a paint sponsor.

NEPL does not but has discounted paint to help players with cost.

At the end of the season I pondered the thought of why invest $15000 into a league you are almost guaranteed not to potentially work your way to get a return to?

Players responded "It's the adrenaline rush" One hour of non stop play. PSP Ramping 15BPS. Some teams were fully funded and players only covered Travel Expenses. Teams such as ours paid the whole shebang with discounted practice and tourney paint.

Average cost per player minus travel $1200 for season. I played four years NEPL Intermediate. Average cost per season $1200 per player.

One big plus for the AXBL, from some of my guys was they had the opportunity to play against Pro Players.

Do I think the NEPL/NEXL can pull out of a rut. Certainly! The NEPL needs to get the benefits of playing NEPL out to the players. Some type of mass marketing to the New England Players. Maybe Sponsor (Paint/Eclipse/Dye) Discounts for attending the NEPL. After all the manufacturers will also benefit in the long run.

Maybe a Grand Championship between NEXL/NYXL/Foxball at the end of the season.

Just my thoughts. Personally the economic issue isn't the main reason players are venturing elsewhere.

The main reason we left for the AXBL! It was a struggle maintaining a 7 man team year after year. College/Personal Issues ect kept breaking up the teams. It was easier to maintain 5 and play a 5 man line.
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Why one league over another - one format over another - experience. It has little to do with cost and lots to do with the experience the player has at the event. Why do people pay more to go to Disney World and ride kiddie rides they could get on for much cheaper at Six Flags and even cheaper at the local carnival? Personal Experience.

As for splitting AM teams up and making more INT teams - no thanks Jeff. I already split my team up to make two AM teams - now you want me to further split up my "Core" guys and make 4 or 5 INT teams? Wow - just how much do you think I can support?

It's been said a million times - if you're looking to make money playing tournament ball - get out now and you'll save yourself the headache of frustration that is bound to be coming your way. There are very few teams or players that make money off of playing tournament paintball. Even teams such as Upton Crew (previously the #1 ranked team in the AM division) hasn't made money playing the NEPL. They paid for their entry and paint for the 1st event and have won entry and paint (not all they needed mind you) for the next three events. Treat it for what it is - a fun hobby we play to relieve some stress and enjoy time with our friends and acquaintances
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Alright what does the AXBL/MXL do that makes it better?
Reffing?
Format?
Enviroment?
Locations?

Your saying AXBL is Disney and NEXL is Six Flags...what makes it better?

IDK NEXL has been around for a while not very agressivly marketed it just seems like nobody consideres it. Trying to see why.
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If you look at the core of the AXBL the only reasons I see players moving towards it is because they have the opportunity to play against pro players.

As far as;
Reffing? NEPL much better and reliable.

Format? NEXL equal NEPL/NPPL not as much adrenaline rush. Players feel that being able to play PSP Mode at 15bps equals the playing field. Coaching Ahhh!

Environment? Go to Sodus after it rains. Field reps. Didn't even know who the League Comish was! I know who Lori and Anthony are. Four years in the NEPL they've always talked with players.

Locations? NEPL/NEXL one location. AXBL you never know. Wouldn't surprise me if an event was in Mississippi with the core players coming from New England.

Maynard is far better in all aspects here.

Better marketing is most likely what the NEXL needs. You'd be surprised as to how many players (Recreational and semi-serious) have no idea the NEPL/NEXL exists.

I believe that with comparison marketing of both leaguesNEPL/NEXL vs AXBL/MXL, the NEPL/NEXL can draw a bigger local New England Crowd crowd.
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ive played NEPL's for a while and i have been to only 2 AXBL events and i find it alot more welcoming. i think they do more for the players. one event they supplied water and fruit in the pits for the players.
AXBL supplies water and fruit in the pits at all events. It's necessary to help make sure people aren't passing out.


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Alright what does the AXBL/MXL do that makes it better?
Reffing?
Format?
Enviroment?
Locations?
Format: Yes. I love playing 50 minute matches @ 15bps ramp. It's a battle and you can never truly tell how the game is going to go until it's over.

Reffing? Hell no. That's my biggest pet peeve about AXBL.

Environment/Locations: The travel to events gives it a similar feel as national events without actually having to fly all over the country. Traveling with 15 friends, staying at hotels, being a bunch of crazy *******s is fun. (Admit it, that's what we are when we paintballers travel en masse: *******s. Testosterone. Gotta love it.)

The locations aren't always the best (Sodus is in the middle of nowhere and the fields are wavy like an ocean) but it's always fun to go other places, meet players and teams that you wouldn't normally see in your area, and shoot them. (I just watched Apocalypse Now again the other day, can you tell?)

In addition to that, it's the small things that the AXBL does as well that give it the feel of a more prestigious series. Online scores / stats (bragging rights). Great merch. Having teams locked in so you can track your opponents all season. There is a different feel to the community because it is always the same guys you see and play against all year long.


foxball looks like it's trying to provide a similar style community for people that can't/don't want to travel to AXBL events.

NEPL and NEXL are a different type of league. They are open instead of closed so teams can come and go. The fact that the teams & players competing are always different is both a plus and minus. It doesn't have that same close-knit feel that AXBL has, but on the other hand teams can come and go as they please, so it's much better for teams & players that can't/don't want to be locked in for a full season.
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