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Old 12-29-2009, 04:26 AM #1135
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Haven't got videos, but if you have a look at the Geo Tech thread, it shows you exactly how the solenoid is put together.

Basically, there is a brass screw on the back of the solenoid housing that needs to be removed in order to access the ball. Wipe the ball down, put it back in the solenoid housing, and then replace and tighten the screw (not too tight though, as you could possibly crack the solenoid housing).
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:58 PM #1136
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Posted in a topic about my bolt popping forward when degassing but figured I should post this information here as well.

I shipped my gun to Gerry to take a look at the problem. Got my gun back and spoke with him regarding the issue. He originally thought it may have been a pcv issue, so he replaced it to no avail. Apparently the issue is the st kit. The bolt is moving forward due to the fact that the ST can only has one hole. I confirmed this by putting in the stock bolt system and the bolt did not move forward. So just a small warning to GST owners: remove all paint from marker before degassing or else there is a chance that a paintball will be fired.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:29 AM #1137
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Hey all, I noticed my efficiency to be about the same with the stock bolt and can. I'm getting about 1 pod per every 700psi-800psi on a 68/4500 tank. I'm wondering why I'm getting bad efficiency? My dwell is at 14 and the VVC screw is all the way out. I also noticed the marker being louder after going through a few cases with the GST kit.
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Old 12-30-2009, 01:15 AM #1138
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Posted in a topic about my bolt popping forward when degassing but figured I should post this information here as well.

I shipped my gun to Gerry to take a look at the problem. Got my gun back and spoke with him regarding the issue. He originally thought it may have been a pcv issue, so he replaced it to no avail. Apparently the issue is the st kit. The bolt is moving forward due to the fact that the ST can only has one hole. I confirmed this by putting in the stock bolt system and the bolt did not move forward. So just a small warning to GST owners: remove all paint from marker before degassing or else there is a chance that a paintball will be fired.
I'll not argue with Gerry, as he's a pro technician, and I'm just an arm chair amateur, fiddling with my guns. None the less, I find that counter intuitive, and a little odd. Thinking logically, if the degassing issue occurs due to the air in front of the bolt venting before all the air in the firing chamber has vented (at least, that is what I understood to be happening), then surely having only one hole at the front of the firing can would slow down the release of the air in front of the bolt? That would have made this less likely to happen I would have thought? I guess I need to re-think what is happening when the Geo is de-gassed.

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Hey all, I noticed my efficiency to be about the same with the stock bolt and can. I'm getting about 1 pod per every 700psi-800psi on a 68/4500 tank. I'm wondering why I'm getting bad efficiency? My dwell is at 14 and the VVC screw is all the way out. I also noticed the marker being louder after going through a few cases with the GST kit.
You might want to screw the VVC in and retune. Are you shooting small paint through the stock barrel? Have you dwell tuned? Is the back check ball in the solenoid dirty or damaged? Is the ball smaller than 4.00mm in diameter? 4.00-4.10mm are optimal.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:26 AM #1139
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I'll not argue with Gerry, as he's a pro technician, and I'm just an arm chair amateur, fiddling with my guns. None the less, I find that counter intuitive, and a little odd. Thinking logically, if the degassing issue occurs due to the air in front of the bolt venting before all the air in the firing chamber has vented (at least, that is what I understood to be happening), then surely having only one hole at the front of the firing can would slow down the release of the air in front of the bolt? That would have made this less likely to happen I would have thought? I guess I need to re-think what is happening when the Geo is de-gassed.
I think you're a little more qualified than an armchair amateur

I'm not a tech either, but I completely agree with what you are saying. It is exactly what I was thinking as well. It makes no sense that the can which vents slower would be directly causing the issue. In your case it appears that some interaction of that can and the gun is causing the problem, but it logically doesn't seem like this would be caused by having a smaller vent hole.
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Hey all, I noticed my efficiency to be about the same with the stock bolt and can. I'm getting about 1 pod per every 700psi-800psi on a 68/4500 tank. I'm wondering why I'm getting bad efficiency? My dwell is at 14 and the VVC screw is all the way out. I also noticed the marker being louder after going through a few cases with the GST kit.
Run the VVC all in, then dwell tune your marker. I have noticed that dwell seem to affect efficiency more than just about anything with the Geo. I get a 160 round pod per 4-500 psi on my 70/4500 stubby right now with VVC all in and dwell at 10.5 I think?
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:18 AM #1141
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Posted in a topic about my bolt popping forward when degassing but figured I should post this information here as well.

I shipped my gun to Gerry to take a look at the problem. Got my gun back and spoke with him regarding the issue. He originally thought it may have been a pcv issue, so he replaced it to no avail. Apparently the issue is the st kit. The bolt is moving forward due to the fact that the ST can only has one hole. I confirmed this by putting in the stock bolt system and the bolt did not move forward. So just a small warning to GST owners: remove all paint from marker before degassing or else there is a chance that a paintball will be fired.
I have the same exact problem, i just thought i was doing something wrong. I never had that problem with the stock bolt either...
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:55 PM #1142
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I have the same exact problem, i just thought i was doing something wrong. I never had that problem with the stock bolt either...
Hmmm.

Well, I'm still not clear on why this would be happening exactly, but it would appear something is happening. Time to gas up the SL91 (my stock Geo doesn't have the ST kit in it - have one on order, but it never seems to arrive. Damn you JustPaintball!) and degas it a bunch of times and see if I can replicate what is happening.

I've really got to get a life.....

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Old 12-30-2009, 01:06 PM #1143
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Do you just shut down the on/off, or are you removing the complete airsystem without shutting down the airsupply first?

First Geo's came without the little plastic golf T style valve inside of the Macroline ellbow. This could cause a shot when someone was removing the Airsystem quickly.
The can of the ST Kit also has only one inlet port in the front chamber. So this actually slows down the air transfer. So if its really shoting when turning down the air then a lot of air must escape somewhere very quickly.

Are you sure the inlinereg piston is venting air at all, or maybee even to fast?
Try a different Inlineregpiston if possible.
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Old 12-30-2009, 05:45 PM #1144
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i'm drunk in key west...so maybe my logic is slightly diminished...but does the bolt popping forward even matter?? just push it back after you degas!! who cares?! OK...back to RUM
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Old 12-30-2009, 06:06 PM #1145
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i'm drunk in key west...so maybe my logic is slightly diminished...but does the bolt popping forward even matter?? just push it back after you degas!! who cares?! OK...back to RUM
LoL I think it's because when it move forward during the degas, it might have sufficient air to shoot a ball out.... Mine used to move forward too during degassing, so I always leave the condom on or make sure there are no more balls in breach.... Just in case
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:41 PM #1146
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Run the VVC all in, then dwell tune your marker. I have noticed that dwell seem to affect efficiency more than just about anything with the Geo. I get a 160 round pod per 4-500 psi on my 70/4500 stubby right now with VVC all in and dwell at 10.5 I think?
I like the smoothness of the shot with the VVC out. I rather sacrifice efficiency for a smoother shot, but it just saddens me to see other ppl who get alot better efficiency than me with the VVC out. I use .685 bore back when I shoot my paint. I dwell tuned my marker but I can't get it to go below 12.5-13ms without seeing inconsistency issues. I have around 30K shots on the counter as well.
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:18 PM #1147
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One thing I do to help with efficientcy when needed is to lower my velocity to 285 instead of 300... But when it's a quick tourny matches with only 3 pods needed, or during rec ball games where distance matter, than I crank it close to 300fps

If your sweet spot is at 12.5ms (with gst) then so be it... Not every maker is the same, and there is no magic number for tuning either. It might change too after a few more cases. I tuned mine after every month of playing when I service my HPR

don't be sad... Be happy and enjoy the Geo
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Do you just shut down the on/off, or are you removing the complete airsystem without shutting down the airsupply first?

First Geo's came without the little plastic golf T style valve inside of the Macroline ellbow. This could cause a shot when someone was removing the Airsystem quickly.
The can of the ST Kit also has only one inlet port in the front chamber. So this actually slows down the air transfer. So if its really shoting when turning down the air then a lot of air must escape somewhere very quickly.

Are you sure the inlinereg piston is venting air at all, or maybee even to fast?
Try a different Inlineregpiston if possible.
As stated, the stock system works perfectly fine, so it is not a regulator issue. There is some interaction with the ST can that is causing the gun to fire when degassing. I am only relaying what Gerry told me, as I am not any authority on the Geo. either way, i just wanted to post this info to inform people with the ST kit.
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Old 12-31-2009, 02:37 AM #1149
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I did spend some time yesterday evening, just gassing and degassing, and couldn't get the ST kit to fire when I degassed the marker.
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Old 12-31-2009, 03:13 AM #1150
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As stated, the stock system works perfectly fine, so it is not a regulator issue. There is some interaction with the ST can that is causing the gun to fire when degassing. I am only relaying what Gerry told me, as I am not any authority on the Geo. either way, i just wanted to post this info to inform people with the ST kit.
Does it really shot when degasing, or does the bolt just move forward?
Do you have the spacers build in or just the new can/bolt? Did you try with/without spacers?

You did not write about any leaks with the ST Kit.
But did you try to change the following o-rings yet?

#17 inside of front of can
#20 outside on front of can

If one of those would leak, air from the front chamber could be released forcing the bolt to move forward.
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I had a leak on one of those, so i replaced it and the bolt still goes forward. For me it doesn't exactly shoot i would say but enough to gently "poop" out the barrel if you will...haha.
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Does it really shot when degasing, or does the bolt just move forward?
Do you have the spacers build in or just the new can/bolt? Did you try with/without spacers?

You did not write about any leaks with the ST Kit.
But did you try to change the following o-rings yet?

#17 inside of front of can
#20 outside on front of can

If one of those would leak, air from the front chamber could be released forcing the bolt to move forward.
It depends on what you consider what shooting is. For me, the bolt moving forward enough so that air reaches the ball and pushes the ball through the barrel is what I would consider "firing". So yes, the gun does "shoot" when degassing.

No I do not have the ST Kit Spacers in.

If I had leaks, I most likely would have mentioned them, but no, I do not have any leaks.

As per your suggestion, I tried changing both those o-rings (and a few others) with both new orings and orings from my stock bolt system. Nothing changed.

Anycase, it's not that big of a deal, just something I need to keep in mind.
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I'm having velocity issues with my gst geo... I am having trouble getting it up to 300 and my velocity screw is all the way put and I have already raised my dwell by 2 as stated to do when installing the kit
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did you put the space kit in as well?
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