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Old 11-10-2015, 04:11 PM #1
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Pump Gun Feedback

I haven't played paintball in 15 years, myself and some of my friends would like to get back into it. I would like some feedback on a couple different pump options.

First and cheapest option would be to grab a 2k4 Super Stocker.

Second option would be to get a Phantom VSC which I've always wanted.

Third and most expensive would be to find a Autococker body, slider frame, CCM pump kit, and misc accessories.

I tend to modify everything which is why I am considering the third option, but at the same time if my friends end up flaking out and don't play, option one gives me the smallest investment.

Makes me wish I kept my old guns, I had a custom automag, autococker, model 98 custom with rt trigger, maverick pump, and splatmaster pistol.
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:55 PM #2
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I would say go with a used VSC phantom. They're relatively inexpensive and the prices are pretty stable.

Picking up an already built cocker wouldn't be bad. I wouldn't suggest building it yourself, just because you'll never get back what you put into it.

Superstocker prices are kind of all over the place in my opinion, and they aren't as versatile as the phantom. But if you found one that's cheaper than used VSC Phantoms, maybe it's a great deal?
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Old 11-10-2015, 08:07 PM #3
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I think the sniper was around $180.
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Old 11-12-2015, 05:51 PM #4
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A used Empire Sniper, KP3, or Phantom is what I would go with.
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Old 11-26-2015, 08:27 AM #5
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I am still debating on what to go with, although I have eliminated the Super Stocker from PB Gateway.

I am assuming I can get a pump cocker to run on lower pressure compared to the phantom. If I am running a 13/3000 tank will I get more shots out of the sniper? If so approximately how much more?
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Old 11-26-2015, 08:48 AM #6
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I am still debating on what to go with, although I have eliminated the Super Stocker from PB Gateway. I am assuming I can get a pump cocker to run on lower pressure compared to the phantom. If I am running a 13/3000 tank will I get more shots out of the sniper? If so approximately how much more?
not necessarily, I haven't tried a ton of snipers on a 13/3000 but I have gotten a 50 hopper and 3 50pods off a completely full 13/3000 from my old phantom, had stanchy internals and shooting 270's
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Old 11-26-2015, 06:18 PM #7
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Phantoms, Nelson valve guns, can be misers on air. Depending on springs/hammer combo. The air flow is in a straight line, less energy lost. The higher pressure air closes the valve faster. The unexpanded air, higher pressure, released behind the ball equals higher potential energy transfer. The last one is a pet theory, testing is above my pay grade. But testing w/ open faced bolts and an arb certainly prop up the evidence.

But you are a mag guy so let me go way back. Tom Kaye's automag comes out (joy!). Smart parts releases the magic box then the smart mag. Same thing, more internal space, about 100 psi lower pressure. Quieter but about 10% less shots. The hyper mag comes out at the same time. This was a devolumizing valve, about 100 psi higher. About 10% more shots, a little louder.

My mvp, which I love dearly, runs close to 200 psi. But gets only 190 shots from a 17/3000 despite all the tricks I've tried.

Nelson valves can be crazy efficient.
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Old 12-04-2015, 06:44 PM #8
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Grabbed a used phantom for under 170, how did I make out?

It also included a clamping feed neck, and the barrel ended up being freak bored "but not from Mike".

Based on the serial number its about 10 years old, but looks to be in great condition.

I still have to air it up and test it.

http://i.imgur.com/ItzTkz6.jpg
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Old 12-04-2015, 07:07 PM #9
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Not a bad deal for $170.
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Old 12-19-2015, 08:26 AM #10
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So the gun shoots great, and I just got a couple parts from CCI to finish it up.

Before http://i.imgur.com/ItzTkz6.jpg

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Old 12-30-2015, 09:58 AM #11
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Your Phantom is looking good!
But...."Finish It UP"???

When I owned a Phantom, I was constantly buying parts from Mike at CCI or trading for more parts from the forums to change-up the setup of the marker.
That's one of the things that I loved about the Phantom
...you could go with stock class, open class, back bottle, 12 gram vsa, 13 cu in HPA, undercooking, right, center or left feed bodies, ring detents, freak barrel, different grips, MicroPhantom, Ghost Ring.....

This is my First Phantom


This is my Second Phantom...


I don't have a Phantom currently, but it is only a matter of time before I get one again.

Have fun with yours!

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So the gun shoots great, and I just got a couple parts from CCI to finish it up.

Before http://i.imgur.com/ItzTkz6.jpg

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