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Old 08-12-2009, 11:33 PM #1
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I no I am not asm anymore but was planning on becoming it again. Since you now have to pay extra for b/s/t trusts (outrageous) why not give an extra gold up or two? The old trusts were $1.35 (even though 2-3 years ago I thought they were much higher than that) Anyways, 1.35x5=6.75. That is nearly $7 right there that asm are being shortchanged, either give asm the new bst trust for free ($.01 so you can verify just like with the old ones) or give an extra gold up or two.

If you can answer those questions and let me know what you think.
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:53 PM #2
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I just want back what I payed for. Hell, make my asm cheaper if it's all you can do.
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:55 PM #3
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That is also another idea. I just don't see why asm is still the same price without other changes when people were buying asm and receiving a "product" and there are less perks included and it remains the same price.

And if PbN pulls the crap "they weren't advertised anymore and not mentioned in the subscription page" then why the hell wasn't there a huge update (bold letters or something saying that bst trusts were no longer included) and an email to all current asm about to be resubscribed saying "NO MORE BST TRUSTS" Why weren't those that had bst trusts warned before they lost them?
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:07 AM #4
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Agreed.
As useless as BST trusts were, it's the principle.
If I pay, and something comes with it, whether I use it or not, I still want it. I paid for ASM services plus the ups + bst trust (i actually used it once...).
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:08 AM #5
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Out of the 5 I had, I believe I used 3 of them.
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:09 AM #6
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I was probably going to use some for the hell of them, since I had some chump change in my Paypal and no other use for it...
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:12 AM #7
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Exactly. We paid for them and they were taken away from us with no fair warning. If you change a product after a 4+ year period of it being the same ( all other changes when added were made known, I guess that is because then you make more money, but when you no longer include something you don't publicize it because you may loose money? Wow...) and then all the sodden no longer include it without warning the customers that is not right.
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:16 AM #8
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I agree with you guys. Even though most of us didn't use them, they were a part of what I paid for. I know these new badges are a cool thing, kind of like a pbn fad, but for real? It's just kind of disappointing. Honestly even I thought about buying the tag, it's a great idea just gone about all wrong.
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:32 AM #9
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Gotta love having things stolen from you, then sold back to you.

"We took your BST Trust away since we didn't think you were going to use them. If you want it back, give us another $30 a year."
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:42 AM #10
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Really? I never knew the people that had already purchased ASM got the BST trust stripped from them. That's just wrong. If i had ASM and didn't get it back, i would bring it up with paypal.
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:50 AM #11
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I agree, regardless if we used it or not, it was still part of our ASM benefits.
Something should be done, either we get this as part of our ASM, or get something else? Or maybe make it slightly cheaper..
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:55 AM #13
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I'm willing to let this go...in exchange for 30 minutes in the PBN SkyDeck bus at cup. Alone.
hehe.

Thanks for the support. I wouldn't mind buying asm again but I am not a fan of paying the same amount but getting less than I did in the past. PbN just seems to be getting money hungry IMO.
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. perfect way to describe the situation. And i was actually gonna start using them because i had a spare buck in Paypal, when i went to go use it i didn't have them anymore. I would liked to be comped in some way. For paying for something and then having it taken from me.
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Old 08-13-2009, 10:30 AM #15
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I no I am not asm anymore but was planning on becoming it again. Since you now have to pay extra for b/s/t trusts (outrageous) why not give an extra gold up or two? How much were the old b/s/t trusts? ($4.95, correct me if I'm wrong) I forgot what they were new without asm. 5x4=20. That is $20 right there that asm are being shortchanged, either give asm the new bst trust for free ($.01 so you can verify just like with the old ones) or give 2 extra gold ups.

If you can answer those questions and let me know what you think.

The old trusts were actually only $1.35 and people still weren't using them. They weren't even using the free ones with ASM.

You save more on this program by being ASM than you did with the old one. You saved $6.70 a year with the old way (5 x $1.34) and you save $8 a year with the new one. And that doesn't even take into account the additional ways this displays and how it will show for every thread you create instead of just 5 threads.

We've been working on discontinuing the old style of BST Trust for a while now. That's why they haven't been advertised as part of the ASM program for quite some time and not one person even noticed. We kept issuing them with ASM in the hopes people would use them, but they just didn't. We love the idea of helping people to trust each other online, but our users simply never embraced it. It was amazing how many ASM users simply never used it.

We also couldn't run both programs at once. So we discontinued the one virtually no one was using. If you took advantage of the old Trusts, that's excellent. We think you'll find this new way gives you more bang for your buck.
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I had 6 BST trusts left which is worth $8.10. Why can't I just have three months of BST Trust free?
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Old 08-13-2009, 10:59 AM #17
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I can appreciate your position and posts. And I also appreciate your continued support.

So it looks like I goofed on rolling this new product out and missed the part where some of our loyal ASM members would feel slighted by not being able to use their old BST credits.

I apologize. Thanks for helping me see the light.

Now because the new system needs the transaction flow via PP we can't easily program a way to give you "free" access to the new system.

What I can do is ask Kyle to add 2 free Gold Ups. Worth up to $29.90 to every current ASM member's account. This is a onetime deal and you must be a current ASM member to receive these.

This I hope will smooth things out for all of you and give you more the ability to sell these Gold Ups or use them in the BST section.

Fair enough?

Thanks again for your continued support and help.

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Looks good Ed, but will the price for purchasing new asm be cheaper? I was planning on buying asm but I do not like the idea of paying the same amount for something as it was in the past and got more than currently is offered. I do not see how you would not be able to put the 2 together though, just like with the old bst trusts all you need is a $.01 transfer to verify these things, not a $10 transfer. If we buy asm new would we also get the extra gold ups or not (don't think we would though)? LMK, thanks.
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Looks good Ed, but will the price for purchasing new asm be cheaper? I was planning on buying asm but I do not like the idea of paying the same amount for something as it was in the past and got more than currently is offered. I do not see how you would not be able to put the 2 together though, just like with the old bst trusts all you need is a $.01 transfer to verify these things, not a $10 transfer. If we buy asm new would we also get the extra gold ups or not (don't think we would though)? LMK, thanks.
Sorry the Gold Ups are for current ASM users. I don't think that reducing the ASM cost makes sense because the Gold Ups you receive are still worth more than the cost of ASM. Plus, you actually save an additional $2 every time you use the new BST Trust.


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