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Old 07-24-2009, 06:37 AM #1
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de-baptism?

why is it that some atheists feel the need to be against something that for them doesn't exist and is moot? recently saw an article about a de-baptism, with a blow dryer:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religio...ebaptism_N.htm

what difference does it make what you participated in the past or in your childhood in regards to religion? if you don't believe in it, then it has no meaning, there is no challenge, it's a moot point, right?

What difference does it make? did they (the atheists) renounce their belief in Santa or the Easter bunny by not participating in certain holidays and perhaps waving a picture of milk and cookies with a big red X over their head, or waving a rabbit's foot around or something.

This isn't atheism, it's anti-theism, in my view anyway.
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Old 07-24-2009, 07:55 AM #2
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stupid people will be stupid, RP. same as any other religion/theology/worldview/whateveryouwanttocallit
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Old 07-24-2009, 08:06 AM #3
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To me, it's as silly as baptism in the first place, but c'est la vie. Doesn't really affect me either way.
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Old 07-24-2009, 08:19 AM #4
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Some people feel the need to symbolize their system of belief or disbelief. Nothing wrong with that. Christianity certainly contains a lot of symbolic rituals. I don't see why an atheist isn't allowed to symbolize his or her choice to not believe without being ridiculed. Sounds like you're holding a double standard RP. Why can't they symbolize what they believe to be their breaking free from something that previously held them down?
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Old 07-24-2009, 08:43 AM #5
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nope, not a double standard, just wondering why the anti-religion. they dont' denounce their (that I know of) freedom of Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy do they? to me it is the atheist that does this kind of thing (ie - requesting a denunciation of "confirmation" as well fits here) that has the double standard, or at the very least isn't consistent in their enlightenment of (non) beliefs.

course hsilman has a point. we are all people.
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nope, not a double standard, just wondering why the anti-religion. they dont' denounce their (that I know of) freedom of Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy do they? to me it is the atheist that does this kind of thing (ie - requesting a denunciation of "confirmation" as well fits here) that has the double standard, or at the very least isn't consistent in their enlightenment of (non) beliefs.

course hsilman has a point. we are all people.
Christmas and Easter have increasingly become consumer holidays over the last couple decades anyway.
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agreed, but that's besides the point of the topic, now, isn't it.
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It's not necessarily anti-religion. It's just symbolic of them shedding their religion. It's a symbolic gesture of them getting rid of religion in their life. Why can the irreligious not symbolize their disbelief or lack of belief? Religion has symbolic customs, why can't an atheist symbolize his/her shedding of religion in a similar custom? Honestly, you'd rather have them just keep it to themselves so you don't have to see it or be offended by it. That's what Atheists have been telling religious people for years. If the religious can symbolize their beliefs in customs then atheists can do the same to symbolize their shedding of those beliefs. Don't hold a double standard.
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right - don't hold a double standard, if they are going to do this, then why not the other things I mentioned? to me the double standard is the atheist that does these things, since they don't do it for all the shedding of their unenlightened points. honestly it doesn't matter to me, except that they are being anti-religious, and not non-religious; this is born out by their double standard of not applying their enlightenment to all areas (and ONLY to the area of "religion").

but no worries, as I mentioned; i chalk it off as being a people-kind.
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They don't have to symbolize their lack of belief by doing the ceremony for every single superstition out there. They are using one to symbolize it all. Again, you're just trying to find something wrong with it.
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people are people. some are anti-religious, some aren't.
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people are people. some are anti-religious, some aren't.
I don't think it has anything to do with anti-religion so much as it's about shedding religion from their lives in a symbolic ceremony. Reading into it anymore than that is silly.
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no - you are silly for calling me names! oh, wait...
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It's not anti-religion any more than getting baptized is pro-religion. Stop trying to start a debate over something so meaningless. Just like religious people traditionally symbolize becoming part of a religion with a baptism, some atheists may want to show their shedding of that religion in a similar fashion.
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Wouldn't be religious to de-baptize? If it had no meaning wouldn't by doing so give it meaning?
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Wouldn't be religious to de-baptize? If it had no meaning wouldn't by doing so give it meaning?
Which is why this is a very small group of atheists participating. Most of them would just turn it down as it trying to be a religious ceremony. Notice the article only said 250 people participated, as well as some small groups of college students? The root of the ceremony is actually a political movement trying to show that there are a lot of atheists in society, although they do not usually get any kind of recognition. Sadly though, this might get some media exposure, but will probably come off as negative when it's really just trying to be satirical, and on top of that with this small of a turnout they really won't be getting a point across.

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I really don't understand the thinking of Atheists (not trying to flame)

How does one really believe that we are here from just a huge explosion? Life does not just start to appear. It had to come from somewhere, and the logic just doesn't make much sense to me.

Can a claimed Atheist please explain this to me?

I mean, there mere fact that we can even see is a miracle
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nope, not a double standard, just wondering why the anti-religion. they dont' denounce their (that I know of) freedom of Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy do they? to me it is the atheist that does this kind of thing (ie - requesting a denunciation of "confirmation" as well fits here) that has the double standard, or at the very least isn't consistent in their enlightenment of (non) beliefs.

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People do not take Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny seriously, and everyone recognizes them as childhood fantasies. Unlike religion, and in particular Christianity in certain parts of this country and Islam in many other countries, one's lack of belief in those things is never used to ostracize a person from certain circles of society, or in some cases, literally preclude them from certain professions.

Just because people are not religious doesn't mean they don't value ritual. Therefore, the desire to symbolize one's freedom from what they consider to be an oppressive belief system that was most likely imposed upon them as a young child is understandable, even if it is done in a deliberately irreverent and ridiculing manner.
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People do not take Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny seriously, and everyone recognizes them as childhood fantasies. ....
i know many people, epecially children that do take them seriously! which is part of the point i was making. if these people are "growing up", then why be anti-religious, other than they are just people, and people are people no matter the religion (or lack thereof).
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I really don't understand the thinking of Atheists (not trying to flame)

How does one really believe that we are here from just a huge explosion? Life does not just start to appear. It had to come from somewhere, and the logic just doesn't make much sense to me.

Can a claimed Atheist please explain this to me?

I mean, there mere fact that we can even see is a miracle
Since you just stated that logic doesn't make sense to you, no one will be able to dumb it down enough for you to understand or comprehend it, and it isn't worth the effort or the ensuing flame war because you aren't going to change your mind anyway. Just stick with your god.

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if these people are "growing up", then why be anti-religious, other than they are just people, and people are people no matter the religion (or lack thereof).
If you're going to use that argument, then why be "pro-religious" and be baptized? There is no anti religion going on, they are just showing that they choose to shed the religion imposed on them by their parents at a young age.

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