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Old 07-19-2009, 12:38 PM #1
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love and fear in Christianity

I have come to assume that love and fear are oppisites, yet in Christianity, people are told to love and fear God. So I ask, is it possible to truthfully love and fear something at the same time?
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Old 07-19-2009, 01:12 PM #2
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why would anyone fear god?
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Old 07-19-2009, 02:00 PM #3
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I have come to assume that love and fear are oppisites, yet in Christianity, people are told to love and fear God. So I ask, is it possible to truthfully love and fear something at the same time?
I think your asking the wrong questions kid.
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Yes, you can love and fear something at the same time... just because you're emotionally attached to your girlfriend doesn't mean you aren't afraid of the consequences if you call her a **** in front of all your buddies.

I believe that sort of logic is the same one meant to apply for the humanity-divine relationship. I'm not absolutely sure though, being an atheist... when I still held some belief in religion (Catholicism), I wasn't too sure what to make of that love-fear relationship ideal with God, and by some odd twist I've only come to understand, or think I understand, after I've stopped believing. And there are many other things about religion that I only understand now that I've detached myself from it.

I guess it really does help to take a big step back and look at the whole wall after trying to center a picture frame.
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Old 07-19-2009, 02:47 PM #5
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^^ One can do that and retain his faith as well, but good way to put it none the less.

To OP's ? - Yes.
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Old 07-19-2009, 02:54 PM #6
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Yes, but if you can't have both always go for being feared.

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Old 07-19-2009, 02:57 PM #7
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why would anyone fear god?
according to the bible he killed everyone and everything except 1 family and 2 of each "kind"

i dunno but mass murder sounds like a great reason to fear something
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according to the bible he killed everyone and everything except 1 family and 2 of each "kind"

i dunno but mass murder sounds like a great reason to fear something
Murder was used incorrectly in this sentence. It implies an ethical context in which murder is decidedly "moral" or "immoral."

The correct term is "termination."
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Murder was used incorrectly in this sentence. It implies an ethical context in which murder is decidedly "moral" or "immoral."

The correct term is "termination."




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according to the bible he killed everyone and everything except 1 family and 2 of each "kind"

i dunno but mass murder sounds like a great reason to fear something
Just don't be wicked and you have nothing to worry about.
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What I meant are there are multiple examples in psalms where it is said people must fear and love God.
Psalm 111: The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Psalm 34: 9 Fear the LORD, you his saints,
for those who fear him lack nothing.

10 The lions may grow weak and hungry,
but those who seek the LORD lack no good thing.

11 Come, my children, listen to me;
I will teach you the fear of the LORD.

Psalm 2: Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling

Psalm 19: The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever

I rest my case.
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I guess how you're putting this down.. there really isn't an answer. Just how you feel. As for me, I don't fear God.
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What I meant are there are multiple examples in psalms where it is said people must fear and love God.
Psalm 111: The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Psalm 34: 9 Fear the LORD, you his saints,
for those who fear him lack nothing.

10 The lions may grow weak and hungry,
but those who seek the LORD lack no good thing.

11 Come, my children, listen to me;
I will teach you the fear of the LORD.

Psalm 2: Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling

Psalm 19: The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever

I rest my case.
What do you mean by fear? If you mean being anxious about disobeying God, then to teach to fear God means to teach to obey His laws. Being worried about breaking His laws.

Kierkegaard has a book (Fear and Trembling) about this subject.
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So I ask, is it possible to truthfully love and fear something at the same time?
Substitute the word, "fear" for honor (or respect) and it will make more sense. In which case, yes, you can then fear and love simultaneously.

Physical evidence, as an example:

Traditionally, when a child displays this view daily w/ his/her parents growing up, or, a wife to her husband.

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Murder was used incorrectly in this sentence. It implies an ethical context in which murder is decidedly "moral" or "immoral."

The correct term is "termination."
Actually, the word: Wrath I think is a better word to use
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Actually, the word: Wrath I think is a better word to use
Genocide is my personal favorite.
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Substitute the word, "fear" for honor (or respect) and it will make more sense. In which case, yes, you can then fear and love simultaneously.
That's the problem, it doesn't say honor. In Bibilical times, did honor and fear mean the same thing? It would even make more since if fear was replaced with admiration or respect, but fear implies that people are scared of God.
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Hebrew word for fear used in OT: Yare' (and other derivatives).

Definitions and understanding to the Hebrews:
1. to fear, revere, be afraid
1. (Qal)
1. to fear, be afraid
2. to stand in awe of, be awed
3. to fear, reverence, honour, respect
2. (Niphal)
1. to be fearful, be dreadful, be feared
2. to cause astonishment and awe, be held in awe
3. to inspire reverence or godly fear or awe
3. (Piel) to make afraid, terrify
2. to shoot, pour


This Hebrew word was translated in many different ways in context of that around it. Here's two different translations:

KJV (314) - afraid, 78; dreadful, 5; fear, 188; fearful, 2; misc, 8; reverence, 3; terrible, 23; terrible acts, 1; terrible thing, 6;

NAS (385) - afraid, 100; archers shot, 1; awesome, 21; awesome acts, 1; awesome things, 4; became afraid, 1; became...frightened, 2; become frightened, 1; cautious, 1; dismayed, 1; fear, 165; fear and awesome, 1; feared, 36; fearful, 1; fearful thing, 1; fearfully, 1; fearing, 5; fears, 9; frighten, 4; frightened, 1; have...fear, 1; made me afraid, 1; revere, 10; revered, 3; reverence, 3; shooting, 1; showed reverence, 1; stand in awe, 1; terrible, 3; terrible things, 1; terrifying, 2; watered, 1;
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That's the problem, it doesn't say honor. In Bibilical times, did honor and fear mean the same thing? It would even make more since if fear was replaced with admiration or respect, but fear implies that people are scared of God.
You've gotta read the context that in fact surrounds the word, "fear" in order to interpret the overall meaning. It's basically within the same guidelines (or principle) of the word, "judge" mentioned numerous times throughout scripture as well.

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In the end though, I think it all amounts to the same definition, as being a -- "God fearing man" for example. Meaning, you're still afraid of Him to that literal extent, but the word also has the tendency to gobble up other words for the purpose of expansion. To add color, so to speak, you might say...
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Yes, you can love and fear something at the same time... just because you're emotionally attached to your girlfriend doesn't mean you aren't afraid of the consequences if you call her a **** in front of all your buddies.

I believe that sort of logic is the same one meant to apply for the humanity-divine relationship. I'm not absolutely sure though, being an atheist... when I still held some belief in religion (Catholicism), I wasn't too sure what to make of that love-fear relationship ideal with God, and by some odd twist I've only come to understand, or think I understand, after I've stopped believing. And there are many other things about religion that I only understand now that I've detached myself from it.

I guess it really does help to take a big step back and look at the whole wall after trying to center a picture frame.
I don't know you or your religious history, but the understanding you gained probably isn't because you've separated yourself from it (though it may have been). Its probably because you're older.

I remember when I was 8 years old I thought I knew everything there was to know, I thought I understood the world etc. when I was 10 I had learned more (and recognized that) but same deal, thought I knew everything. It wasn't until I was 16, I remember it was on my birthday when I realized that I will never know everything and this gain of knowledge that just creeps up on you is just through age and experience.

I hope that makes perfect sense.
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