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Old 07-05-2009, 03:30 PM #1
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Why does God feel he needs to test us?

I just finished reading "Night" by Elie Weisel, and I thought of a question about it concerning religion. Why does God feel he needs to test us? If God is all knowing, he shouldn't need to test us because he already knows the outcome. It's the same thing for the book of Job.
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Old 07-05-2009, 03:41 PM #2
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In my life he usually tests me to see if I will make the right decision, or grow me in my faith in him.

Night is a good book. Sad though.
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Old 07-05-2009, 04:25 PM #3
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Test /=/ Circumstance. Some circumstances we get in. Other circumstances are pushed on us from the free will of others.

Maybe a better word to use would be trials. Trials/problems help one grow toward what they need to be or realize where they need to be.

I have problems/mistakes all stemming from various reasons. Is God "testing" me? That's a hard call. But I do know that regardless of the circumstances I can make it through toward a better understanding of myself, God, others and hopefully grow from the situation.
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Old 07-05-2009, 06:02 PM #4
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So the main reason God tests us is so WE can understand God or even ourselves better?
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Old 07-05-2009, 06:07 PM #5
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So the main reason God tests us is so WE can understand God or even ourselves better?
There are no tests. This is just something religious people like to assume to explain something that is just beyond their understanding.

What happens to you is usually a direct happenstance of your own actions, minus of course a freak accident.
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Old 07-05-2009, 06:14 PM #6
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What happens to you is usually a direct happenstance of your own actions, minus of course a freak accident.
Both stresses are beliefs.

Just different perspectives and conditionings are used for the conclusion.
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:39 PM #7
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So the main reason God tests us is so WE can understand God or even ourselves better?
even if this is true, what is the need of doing so?
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Old 07-05-2009, 08:24 PM #8
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Why call it testing?

Why wouldn't it be creating?
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Old 07-05-2009, 08:52 PM #13
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If god is all knowing, then he knows the results of the "test", correct?
If he knows the results, but subjects you to the pain/confusion/stress anyways, then wouldn't that make him a dick?

Say that person fails the test. Wouldn't it mean it wasn't really a test, but instead just a way of God intentionally making a person lose their faith?
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If god is all knowing, then he knows the results of the "test", correct?
If he knows the results, but subjects you to the pain/confusion/stress anyways, then wouldn't that make him a dick?

Say that person fails the test. Wouldn't it mean it wasn't really a test, but instead just a way of God intentionally making a person lose their faith?
I agree with this.

Only thing is that a person can't fail a test that an omnipotent god gives you correct? He already knows what you're going to do, thus he can't expect you to do anything but that thing. So how can you test someone when you know the outcome before they do?
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Old 07-05-2009, 10:33 PM #15
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I agree with this.

Only thing is that a person can't fail a test that an omnipotent god gives you correct? He already knows what you're going to do, thus he can't expect you to do anything but that thing. So how can you test someone when you know the outcome before they do?
Yeah, I am surprised this is not talked about at a greater length.
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If god is all knowing, then he knows the results of the "test", correct?
If he knows the results, but subjects you to the pain/confusion/stress anyways, then wouldn't that make him a dick?

Say that person fails the test. Wouldn't it mean it wasn't really a test, but instead just a way of God intentionally making a person lose their faith?
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I agree with this.

Only thing is that a person can't fail a test that an omnipotent god gives you correct? He already knows what you're going to do, thus he can't expect you to do anything but that thing. So how can you test someone when you know the outcome before they do?
Are projections being exhausted on the term "test"? I'm guessing that this is ultimately a Bible question and a thorough understanding is needed about the book of Job, but I don't know if a math test is compatible with the term "test" in this situation.
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Old 07-06-2009, 12:03 AM #17
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When someone says "God tested me", I understand it as they went through something that God caused that was hard in some way, whether it be a tragedy or a temptation, and were expected to make a "right" choice. That's just the way I see it, but then again I've never felt I've been "tested" by a god, soo....
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When someone says "God tested me", I understand it as they went through something that God caused that was hard in some way, whether it be a tragedy or a temptation, and were expected to make a "right" choice. That's just the way I see it, but then again I've never felt I've been "tested" by a god, soo....
This is also how I veiw the word "test". This is what I based my assumptions on for how an omnipotent being would test us and how it would work out.

I do not feel as though I have ever been tested by god, but again I do not believe in it. I think if I looked through my life I could find thousands of places where I feel like I may have been being tested by god. I think it's a matter of perspective, if I don't believe in a god and I am tempted by someone to cheat on my girlfriend and I choose not to then I just made the choice not to. If I believe in a god, I may think that I was being tested on my faithful-ness to my girlfriend and that my choosing not to someone pleased this all mighty being.
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Old 07-06-2009, 12:48 AM #19
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Well, considering the OP referenced Job I think it's safe to deny that it was anything but a test.

God and Satan had a bet. Satan said Job only loves God because God treats him well. God said, Job loves me because he loves me. What did they do? Satan posed a Hypothesis (challenge) and God let Satan test Job's will. It wasn't God who decided to put Job through trials to see how he'd fair. He tested him to prove Satan wrong.

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Yeah, I am surprised this is not talked about at a greater length.
Oh, there was a giant thread long ago (before i left for a year) that had to do with the topic. It boiled down to a very terrible game of semantics in which the standard definitions didn't fit certain individuals desired definitions....That and a bit of 'God exists out of space/time' and a side of "God is too complex for human understanding"

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even if this is true, what is the need of doing so?
because a lot of people don't ask these questions and if they do they aren't met with open ears. one person I know asked his mother what peopel eat in heaven when he was younger. Answer: Milk and Honey. Next question: do they have to use the bathroom? answer: why do you wanna know Response: because if they have to go to the bathroom, then they need to have somewhere to go, and if they have somewhere to go then where does their poop go? Retort: *SMACK*(back then you could get the tar beat out of you and it wouldn't be child abuse)

another good one is if when a baby dies if they go to heaven as a baby or as an adult? Or if you die in a horrendous accident do you go to heaven all disfigured and possibly missing body parts or perfect?
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