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Old 09-12-2003, 08:47 PM #1
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Exclamation A "must do" upgrade for the Speed!

I've noticed that the Speed's breech o-ring/gasket has a tendency to fall off or get shredded in half. Some people using normal high pressure preset tanks have no choice but to run their Speeds at high pressure and low dwell. This leads a very high burst of air pressure from the exhaust valve and puts a lot of stress on that little flimsy breech o-ring/gasket. The consequence of all this high pressure is blown out o-ring/gaskets. Even when the rubber seal is brand new, it still doesn't provide a good enough seal, lots of gas escapes out the sides! Anyway, I was at a local paintball store ( www.generaljoes.com ) the other day when my breech seal/o-ring/gasket thing fell off and got lost somewhere. The WDP certified Super Tech Alan Hanagata at the store came up with this simple solution.

This is the WDP certified Super Tech Alan, on the cover of a recent issue of Paintball magazine.

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Anyway, after installing and testing out many, many different sized o-rings w/ various durometers... the final o-ring not only solved my problem, but the new performance result is just unbelievable! This "fix" is way better than the stock breech seal/o-ring/gasket! NOW, there's virtually no air blowing pass the breech o-ring. NOW, it's a lot quiter because of the improved seal... it was the first thing i noticed!!!

Here are some pics of this super upgrade. AND YES, you can also do this for the LCD/IR3s!



aaahhhh i gotta run, i'll explain more later, have fun reading and being confused as to why this mod is sooo important...


UPDATE 9/13: Here are several ways to get this O-ring: 1. buy a variety of o-rings to find one that fits. 2. call up www.GeneralJoes.com and order one. 3. Become a Supporting Member by donating $5 to PbNation and I'll send you a couple of these O-rings for free. Existing members can still donate $5 and I'll send them the O-rings free of charge.

Update 9/14: an o-ring remover/dental pick can be used to chip/break the dried super glue gel or regular super glue. In other words, the dried superglue can be easily removed... very easy.

Update 9/15: If you decide to do this upgrade, let us know how it works for you. So far, DucktapeBandit is the only one who's taken the initiative to do this and is very pleased with the results.

This upgrade can also be done for the Angel LCDs and IR3s, but finding the right sized/durometer o-ring is going to be tough.

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Update 9/18:
FREE OFFER! Alan has generously donated 10 O-rings for me to give out, free of charge.

Another update: I'm all out of o-rings! I'll try to find out o-ring size and let you know so that you can get them from a hardware store or something.

UPDATE again:
The way we looked for an o-ring was to go thru this bag filled with a ton of different random o-rings. Anyway, we figured out that these are the same o-rings as the autococker valve seal o-rings! These o-rings can be found at almost all stores that service autocokers.

Disclaimer: As with all free promotions I've ever made, this is to make it clear that the products/items/procedure are for informational/educational purposes only. Perform these modifications/upgrades at your own risk.
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Old 09-12-2003, 08:51 PM #2
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Ive personally seen this upgrade and it is sweet. Very nice seal and very durable.
Definetly look into this upgrade
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Old 09-12-2003, 08:57 PM #3
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hey can u talk to me online and tell me more. Im anout to buy one and i need to kno this. thanks
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Old 09-12-2003, 09:25 PM #4
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Alrighty, so HOW do you do this?
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Old 09-13-2003, 01:16 AM #5
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badass scratch on your sight rail there ft

and oh yeah, why is an angel tech holding a timmy

and btw nice find
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Old 09-13-2003, 11:39 AM #6
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Alll you do is find an oring that fits around the breech hole and glue the ***** in.
pretty simple
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Old 09-13-2003, 01:26 PM #7
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Old 09-13-2003, 02:05 PM #8
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P8nter,
I could talk to you about this on AIM, but there's a hefty consultation fee.

Moogler,
What scratch are you talking about that's on the site rail???
As you can see, this Angel Tech is holding an expensive Intimidator and laughing all the way to the bank.
Thanks, this is a nice find indeed. I would call this the Alan H. O-ring upgrade invention!


Installation instructions... sorry, I'm too busy working on a super project to go into detail. But here are simple instructions:
1. Find an O ring that's wide enough to fit in there. Make sure it's thick enough to create a good seal.
2. Use Super Glue "Gel" to put onto the breech area.
3. Put the O-ring on there and let dry.
4. Put additional, generous servings of SuperGlue Gel around the O-ring to help it creat additional support for the O-ring. And let dry.
5. Put even more Super Glue Gel around the perimeter of the O-ring to create a pool of Super Glue Gel around the O-ring to provide even more support and let dry.
6. Double check to make sure the O-ring is tall enough to provide a good seal.

Do no, I repeat, do not super glue your breech shut!

Big thanks to the WDP certified Super Tech Alan at www.GeneralJoes.com
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Old 09-13-2003, 02:10 PM #9
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I'm guessing your warning about super glueing your breech was through experience...

So wait... Do we even need the o-ring? It seems super glue cures all problems!
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Old 09-13-2003, 02:42 PM #10
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it seems as tho this seal is pretty good.... did it help increase consistency or increase velocity however minimal it might be
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Old 09-13-2003, 03:20 PM #11
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I'm guessing your warning about super glueing your breech was through experience...

So wait... Do we even need the o-ring? It seems super glue cures all problems!
Yes no what?! Remember, there's a difference between regular super glue and Super Glue Gel! If you're gunna glue your breech closed, you might as well use JB Weld, available at your local automotive store.

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it seems as tho this seal is pretty good.... did it help increase consistency or increase velocity however minimal it might be
I'm sure it does, you should try it and let us know.
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Old 09-13-2003, 03:48 PM #12
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this breach o-ring probelm doesnt happen to lcds does it?

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Old 09-13-2003, 04:07 PM #13
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there's a silver line on the sight rail, looks like a scratch to me, donno maybe it's part of the milling and the lighting makes it look like a scratch
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Old 09-13-2003, 04:22 PM #14
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nice..ft, and btw...i think thats just the lighting
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there's a silver line on the sight rail, looks like a scratch to me, donno maybe it's part of the milling and the lighting makes it look like a scratch
i think that its glare.
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where did you get the phat volumizers?
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Why can't you just tell us what size o-ring it is?
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Old 09-13-2003, 09:14 PM #18
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Why can't you just tell us what size o-ring it is?
Because I dont know
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Old 09-13-2003, 09:33 PM #19
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lets say that this didn't work out right for me, how easy is it to get the super glue gel off, and how do you do it (if possible)

....prolly gonna try to do this tomorrow
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Old 09-14-2003, 01:05 AM #20
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you would probably have to scrape it off, or maybe use something to dissolve it, alcahol maybe?
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lets say that this didn't work out right for me, how easy is it to get the super glue gel off, and how do you do it (if possible)

....prolly gonna try to do this tomorrow
Acetone or finger nail polish remover, alcohol usually doesnt work on super glue/gel.
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