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Old 06-16-2009, 03:41 PM #22
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Ethnicity, there's no such thing as different "races" within the human "race".
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:55 PM #23
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Ethnicity, there's no such thing as different "races" within the human "race".

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2  /reɪs/ Show Spelled [reys] Show IPA
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1.a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2.a population so related.
3.Anthropology.
a.any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b.an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c.a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:58 PM #24
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It's has something to deal with pronunciation, and it's pretty complicated which is why in modern Arabic you don't see all of those pronunciation marks.
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Race is still, technically, an appropriate term similar to (but not the same as) ethnicity. Hence, we still use "racism".

Ethnicity implies more of a cultural, societal grouping. Race is more based on physical aspects. Which is why racism, the judging of a person solely on their physical, racial appearance is wrong. But of course, the lines are blurred. So, it's also a question of political correctness.
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Old 06-16-2009, 11:28 PM #26
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race
2  /reɪs/ Show Spelled [reys] Show IPA
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1.a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2.a population so related.
3.Anthropology.
a.any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b.an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c.a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
Note the bold. It is no longer an accurate way of describing what you're describing.

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Race is still, technically, an appropriate term similar to (but not the same as) ethnicity. Hence, we still use "racism".

Ethnicity implies more of a cultural, societal grouping. Race is more based on physical aspects. Which is why racism, the judging of a person solely on their physical, racial appearance is wrong. But of course, the lines are blurred. So, it's also a question of political correctness.
No, "race" is an outdated, inaccurate, and incorrect term of characterizing people by their ethnicity. Sorry, my earlier statement is still correct. It is appropriate in colloquial, spoken language maybe, but not in any kind of intelligent, intellectual conversation. Humans are a "race". African, Italian, Irish, German, Asian, etc are ethnicities.
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Old 06-16-2009, 11:51 PM #27
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Old 06-17-2009, 12:08 AM #28
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Note the bold. It is no longer an accurate way of describing what you're describing.
I think that's something we can argue for hours, but either way, ethnicity fine by me. I think everyone knew what I meant.
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christ how irrelevant
I agree. Christ is not relevant to this thread (much).
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I agree. Christ is not relevant to this thread (much).
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since the thread was actually answered very early on, just adding my extra posts like others here.
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I'm just saying the joke wasn't very good.
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Old 06-17-2009, 12:04 PM #33
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I'm just saying the joke wasn't very good.
oh - sorry, missed that insinuation. yea, i agree, I was stretching a bit (a looooot). text only format and all that. my wife says that's "rp-humor", only RP gets it.
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Note the bold. It is no longer an accurate way of describing what you're describing.



No, "race" is an outdated, inaccurate, and incorrect term of characterizing people by their ethnicity. Sorry, my earlier statement is still correct. It is appropriate in colloquial, spoken language maybe, but not in any kind of intelligent, intellectual conversation. Humans are a "race". African, Italian, Irish, German, Asian, etc are ethnicities.
Woah woah woah. African is an ethnicity? Asian is an ethnicity? Asia and Africa are continents with just as varied cultures as Europe or the Americas. Italian, Irish, German I can grant as well as being national identities. But I'm Chinese, not Vietnamese, Malay, Indian, Tibetan, Japanese, Korean or Mongolian. And I'm sure there'll be Africans who agree that being African is not an ethnicity as we witnessed in Rwanda.

As for race, why do we still use racism then? Ethnic discrimination seems to be the correct term.
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Old 06-17-2009, 06:09 PM #35
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Because people think that by changing names it will eliminate the bigotry. Its an exercise in semantics really...
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Old 06-20-2009, 01:54 PM #36
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I hate when Islam is mentioned and people act like arabs and muslims are the same word. In actuallity, half of Africa is muslim and its the worlds fastest growing religion.

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Old 07-05-2009, 11:17 AM #37
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Hi guys, lemme clear this up. I speak Arabic and am also pretty knowledgable on calligraphy (I've been doing it for a couple of years). The scripts here are the same style, tho they have a couple of differences. If you don't know this, arabic is from right to left. Knowing this what I say next might make sense.


Firstly, the blue screen image lacks short vowels (there is no damma, the short uuu sound at the end of Allahu). However they both have shadda and dagger alif (the "w" looking thing and the vertical line). The last difference is that the older looking text is of a more Kufan or classic Quranic script. A lot of those markings surrounding the word "Allah" are simply there for beautification.

Any questions?

Also, keep in mind that God in Islam got has 99 names. There are many many symbols for Him.
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Old 07-06-2009, 02:43 AM #38
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o, btw, theyre laughing at you
I think he was kaking a joke and you missed it.

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false. Arab=race, muslim=religion.

But he said arabic, which is a language
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Ethnicity, there's no such thing as different "races" within the human "race".
race is a social construction and so is ethnicity. it has the exact same meaning when it comes to bubbling in what you are.
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Old 07-06-2009, 11:22 PM #39
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Why does it matter? It's a language made by humans. There is probably a lot of weird aspects that don't add up to the untrained eye. Hell, I know english is pretty weird.
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one of those symbols represents black muhammad and one represents regular muhammad.

muslims cant show images of muhammad so they need to use symbols instead.
think of it like a picture of black jesus and regular jesus.
same basic idea, just 1 is different.
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I think that was the dumbest thing you have ever said...
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No, "race" is an outdated, inaccurate, and incorrect term of characterizing people by their ethnicity. Sorry, my earlier statement is still correct. It is appropriate in colloquial, spoken language maybe, but not in any kind of intelligent, intellectual conversation. Humans are a "race". African, Italian, Irish, German, Asian, etc are ethnicities.
you're so wrong its not even funny
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you're so wrong its not even funny
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