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Old 12-21-2014, 02:10 AM #1
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Board Settings are Key:
Insight number three was having issues with not shooting every time the trigger was pulled using older Valkeen paint Saturday, so Troubleshot the issue and resolved the issue with at least my marker. When I turned the eyes off, it shot almost normal ... The cause I don't understand, but here is what fixed it for me.
Turns out the Debounce was set to 2 ms, Mech Debouce was set to 3 and bolt delay was set to 15 from the factory (and also in the factory reset)
Both of my previous Insights were set to a Debounce of 12ms, Mech delay of 4 and Bolt Delay of 25 ms from the factory (also Factory reset settings) ...
After I set the new Insight to those settings it shot just fine and picked up all the trigger pulls ...
************** "Original" New (Vic Settings) What works well for me:
Debounce ... ******12ms ****** 2ms *********** 12ms
Mech Debounce ...***04 ******* 03 ************* 04
Trigger Filter ... **** 06 ******* 06 ************** 06
Dwell:*********** 9ms ****** 12ms ************ 10.5ms
Bolt Delay: ******* 25ms ***** 15ms ************ 25ms
BD Delay: ******** 8ms ****** 8ms ************* 8ms

I just took my Multicam Insight set it to the new Victory settings above and it behaved exactly the same as the newer Insight I received a few weeks ago. It would not pick up every trigger pull on Semi, and it would not Ramp ... well, it wouldn't sustain a ramp ... It would shoot a few, then pause ... like it wasn't seeing the paint, although it was ... it would exhibit the exact behavior that a few of you have reported.
Reset it to the original settings minus the Dwell I set to 10.5ms and it shot perfect again.
I honestly think it is a board settings issue and how they are interacting with the Insight Engine. It is the only thing that makes sense to me. It is reproducible on multiple Insights using the Victory Settings ... I'll try the BCA insight and see if it does the same thing.
I call them Victory settings because my newest VIS came with the 5.19bd flash and was set to
Debounce: 02ms
Mech Debounce: 03
Trigger Filter: 06
Bolt Delay: 15ms
Those setting work just fine with both the VIS and Vcom Engines, but seem to cause issues with the Insight engine. Bob thinks what is happening is the Bolt is moving rearward so fast that the lower settings of the Victory are not "seeing" that the bolt moved back and a ball dropped in which is causing the weird firing behavior.
Some have had success using 4C eyes with the Victory factory settings, Although you shouldn't need to buy a $50 upgrade to have your marker shoot like it should. Try the board settings above and see how they work for you.
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Old 12-21-2014, 10:30 AM #2
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:36 AM #4
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Someone should make the v2 thread as I do not have access to a PC at this time.
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Old 12-22-2014, 05:11 PM #6
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new thread here

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Old 12-25-2014, 11:54 AM #7
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Old 12-28-2014, 11:01 AM #8
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nice, now if you can please post in the V2 thread as posted above.. that would be great......

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This is why the V2 thread needs a different title
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Old 12-28-2014, 01:31 PM #11
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well i can ask a mod to change it.. and im open to suggestions.. but i dont personally have any ideas.. i said that before
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