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Old 05-10-2009, 05:24 PM #85
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Old 05-10-2009, 05:31 PM #86
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You still should not physically attack that person. If he is on private property (that is not his) or public property the owner can remove him from the area punish him (depending on the law code).
Sorry but unlike you, I stand up for myself. I was raised to fight my own battles, and I am quite capable of handling myself in a fight. I don't need "daddy" to come help, and I don't need someone to "punish" someone.

Someone comes up and starts calling me this or that, I am going to knock them on their *** (and have in the past). That is called being a man, not something you will ever understand.
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Old 05-10-2009, 05:33 PM #87
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edit: I don't expect anyone to ignore their emotions, I merely envision a society where free speech exists in its proper form, and those that use violence to silence one's thoughts are properly punished.
Then you envision a world devoid of human life. Someone here needs to take a few classes in sociology.
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Old 05-10-2009, 05:38 PM #88
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You still should not physically attack that person. If he is on private property (that is not his) or public property the owner can remove him from the area punish him (depending on the law code).
You're an anarchist Zack, you should believe that people can do what they wish.
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Old 05-10-2009, 06:04 PM #89
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You're an anarchist Zack, you should believe that people can do what they wish.
As long as they follow the non-aggression principle.

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You're a moron and somehow it all went over your head. Get back to me when you have a basic understanding of libertarian principles.
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Old 05-10-2009, 08:02 PM #90
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As long as they follow the non-aggression principle.
If people feel that they can't "hurt" you verbally they might try to physically. And why should anyone have to suffer verbal abuse against their wishes? You have a skewed view of reality. Bullies seldom remain bullies after someone has stood up to them.
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Old 05-10-2009, 08:13 PM #91
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Reading that response makes me think you don't know what the non-agression principle is, correct?

I am not saying one must suffer verbal abuse, I am saying that beating a man for verbal abuse is not right. The same reason that the candy shop owner shooting and killing the kid who's pocketing some gummy worms would be wrong, the punishment does not fit the crime.
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Old 05-10-2009, 08:38 PM #92
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Reading that response makes me think you don't know what the non-agression principle is, correct?

I am not saying one must suffer verbal abuse, I am saying that beating a man for verbal abuse is not right. The same reason that the candy shop owner shooting and killing the kid who's pocketing some gummy worms would be wrong, the punishment does not fit the crime.
I don't think you understand how many people base their actions off of feelings rather than logic.

I've read about it, it's just unrealistic.
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Old 05-10-2009, 08:47 PM #93
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In what way? It would be the basis of a law code, along with . Please, I am in no way advocating people living without law and abiding by the non-aggression principle.
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:07 PM #94
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In what way? It would be the basis of a law code, along with . Please, I am in no way advocating people living without law and abiding by the non-aggression principle.
Because not everyone has the strength to resist responding physically when provoked.
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:12 PM #95
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Cool, your point? Does that make it right?
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:26 PM #96
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Cool, your point? Does that make it right?
I think by walking up to a gay man and yelling obscenities at him you're expecting a reaction out of him, and in that case I'd say anger would be a better reaction than fear. If a person belittles you against your wishes then you have every right to defend yourself.
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:31 PM #97
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Again, where did I say react with fear? If he is on your property, kick him out, if he is on public property, leave and call the authorities, and if he uses physical force, you have the go.
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:33 PM #98
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1st amendment > any argument you have against free speech.

no mater what you think troll, this is America, and even if I HATE what someone has to say, they have a right to say it. Just like I say, you are not a real American, and you are a troll here on the internet just trying to start a fight.

If I had admin rights, you would have been baned on your first post for trolling. Your a racist, an anti-American, and in general a bad person.
you are out of control and out of your mind
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:43 PM #99
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Overbear:

You're a moron and somehow it all went over your head. Get back to me when you have a basic understanding of libertarian principles.
1) I am not a libertarian, I agree with most of their views but I am FAR from one.
2)Your a coward, period. We good citizens have to work twice as hard in life to keep ourselves safe because people like you let others roll over you and do nothing to stop it.
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A democracy is, two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner.
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:55 PM #100
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Lol, must have read your bio wrong. Then again, it was from a few years ago. My mistake.

Please, elaborate on how I am a coward. I'd love it.
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Old 05-10-2009, 10:01 PM #101
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Lol, must have read your bio wrong. Then again, it was from a few years ago. My mistake.

Please, elaborate on how I am a coward. I'd love it.
If you want to be a true American you've got to be modeled directly after OB, you coward. Send those innocents to jail!
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Old 05-10-2009, 10:28 PM #102
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Again, where did I say react with fear? If he is on your property, kick him out, if he is on public property, leave and call the authorities, and if he uses physical force, you have the go.
Like I said before, it's unrealistic. You're expecting something imperfect to be perfect.
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Old 05-10-2009, 10:31 PM #103
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No, I'm not at all. I have never said everyone will abide the law. Hell, I'd figure people would initiate physical force with those who verbally attack them. What I am saying is if someone is beaten over verbal attacks the man/woman who made the attack is violating the person's rights.


Hell, how can any of you say we have the right to free speech if you threaten to physically harm someone if they say something that offends you?
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Old 05-10-2009, 10:37 PM #104
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Hell, how can any of you say we have the right to free speech if you threaten to physically harm someone if they say something that offends you?
As I said before (but you clearly don't know how to read) just because you CAN say something does not mean you SHOULD say it.

If I go up to someone and call them a name, I expect to get knocked on my butt, the same goes for someone who comes up and calls me something to my face. However a pacifistic coward as yourself just wont get what I am talking about.
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Old 05-10-2009, 10:39 PM #105
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As I said before (but you clearly don't know how to read) just because you CAN say something does not mean you SHOULD say it.

If I go up to someone and call them a name, I expect to get knocked on my butt, the same goes for someone who comes up and calls me something to my face. However a pacifistic coward as yourself just wont get what I am talking about.
So if someone pushes me and I have my ccw, then do I have the right to shoot them?
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