Find fields & stores near you!
Find fields and stores
Zipcode
PbNation News
PbNation News
Community Focus
Community Focus

View Poll Results: Which current party?
Republican 2 7.69%
Democrat 5 19.23%
Impossible to classify 19 73.08%
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 05-06-2009, 07:39 PM #1
Smart Parts Player12
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: South Jersey
Federalists =?

I've recently been studying the Federalist party in a limited degree but I find myself asking which current party they belong to. In the scope of government obviously they'd relate to the hypothesized Democrats. Socially they lean more to the current Republicans. I'm heading more down the road that they can't be classified as either, as they more sought after maintaining the status quo.
__________________
But if we get on the treadmill together, there's two things: You're getting off first, or I'm going to die. It's really that simple, right?
Smart Parts Player12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Sponsored Links Remove Advertisement
Advertisement
Old 05-06-2009, 07:50 PM #2
Young_Grasshopper
BMW ///M POWER
 
Young_Grasshopper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Fairfax, VA
Young_Grasshopper is reppin' sidebar 4 life
I'd say it's both. The Federalists pushed hard for the Constitution. Now, both parties still believe in the Constitution (the GOP did, at least), they just differ on the interpretation.
Young_Grasshopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2009, 08:00 PM #3
corporationpaintball
too legit to quit
 
corporationpaintball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Burlington, VT
Annual Supporting Member
corporationpaintball is a Moderator
corporationpaintball is BST Legit
corporationpaintball donated to help Peyton Trent
corporationpaintball supports our troops
corporationpaintball is one of the top 250 posters on PbNation
corporationpaintball is Boss
hmm... that's a good thinking question. I'll come back to this on saturday after my finals are over and let you know.
__________________

Old Feedback (+20/-0) | New Feedback (+37/-0)
Annual Supporting Member Council Elite
corporationpaintball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2009, 08:16 PM #4
Uber Grim Kvlt (Banned)
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Akron/Canton OH
Quote:
Originally Posted by Young_Grasshopper View Post
I'd say it's both. The Federalists pushed hard for the Constitution. Now, both parties still believe in the Constitution (the GOP did, at least), they just differ on the interpretation.
And the dems believe in the constitution?
Uber Grim Kvlt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2009, 08:43 PM #5
phatness
Left of Lenin
 
phatness's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: 805
 has been a member for 10 years
Neither of the parties really care about the Constitution. They come up with what they want to do first, then look to see if there is some way that they can skew it to say that they are following the Constitution. If it does, great, they can say they do what they do because it says so in the Constitution, if not, they just ignore it. But no one in the government really looks to the Constitution first for guidance.
__________________
"If horses could vote there would be no cars"
-Henry Ford
phatness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2009, 08:56 PM #6
Rapier7
Smarter than you
 
Rapier7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
I don't think you can really try to relate the Federalists to either party today. The situation and issues that dominated that time are completely different from today.
__________________
http://metatalkingpoints.blogspot.com/ - Intelligent Commentary
Rapier7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2009, 10:14 PM #7
unincom
 
 
unincom's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
unincom owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
unincom supports Team VICIOUS
unincom is for the Gunfight
unincom supports Sherwood Forest
federalist=strong central government= democrats

anti-federalists=states rights= republican

at least that's the way I see it while trying not to forget anything for double final day tomorrow.
unincom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2009, 10:31 PM #8
Rapier7
Smarter than you
 
Rapier7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Quote:
federalist=strong central government= democrats
Yeah, but keep in mind that a strong central government back then was characterized as a government audacious enough to slap a 6 cent excise tax on whiskey.
__________________
http://metatalkingpoints.blogspot.com/ - Intelligent Commentary
Rapier7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2009, 10:36 PM #9
unincom
 
 
unincom's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
unincom owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
unincom supports Team VICIOUS
unincom is for the Gunfight
unincom supports Sherwood Forest
yeah, what's the difference? generally speaking taxes go up under democrats same as federalists.
unincom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2009, 11:02 PM #10
*Jenkins
 
 
*Jenkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: USA
Quote:
Originally Posted by phatness View Post
Neither of the parties really care about the Constitution.
Yea, they don't want to qualify for the domestic terrorist list. ha
__________________
Campaign for Libery
*Jenkins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2009, 11:40 PM #11
Kimeran
DONT TREAD ON ME
 
Kimeran's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: CA and CO
With how many parties out there these days I think im going to form a Constitutionalist party....
__________________
COLOSTATE
Dragon Intimidator
www.johnstonfarms.com
Kimeran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2009, 04:23 AM #12
Hirophant0
Historian at large
 
Hirophant0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Hirophant0 is an NCPA player
Hirophant0 plays in the APPA D5 division
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimeran View Post
With how many parties out there these days I think im going to form a Constitutionalist party....
You didn't bother checking google first did you?
__________________
CONSUMER REPORTS 30+/0-
Hirophant0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2009, 06:17 AM #13
Smart Parts Player12
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: South Jersey
Quote:
Originally Posted by unincom View Post
federalist=strong central government= democrats

anti-federalists=states rights= republican

at least that's the way I see it while trying not to forget anything for double final day tomorrow.
Yeah but we have to realize that a strong government at that time was considered very conservative.
__________________
But if we get on the treadmill together, there's two things: You're getting off first, or I'm going to die. It's really that simple, right?
Smart Parts Player12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2009, 09:36 AM #14
Kimeran
DONT TREAD ON ME
 
Kimeran's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: CA and CO
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hirophant0 View Post
You didn't bother checking google first did you?
haha, sure didnt i was simply trying to be a smart *** about how many parties there are today that seem to just apear and disappear
__________________
COLOSTATE
Dragon Intimidator
www.johnstonfarms.com
Kimeran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2009, 05:07 PM #15
Hirophant0
Historian at large
 
Hirophant0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Hirophant0 is an NCPA player
Hirophant0 plays in the APPA D5 division
Quote:
Originally Posted by unincom View Post
federalist=strong central government= democrats

anti-federalists=states rights= republican

at least that's the way I see it while trying not to forget anything for double final day tomorrow.
I will tell you the real difference between the federalists and anti-federalists: One liked the constitution, the other didn't.
__________________
CONSUMER REPORTS 30+/0-
Hirophant0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2009, 11:58 AM #16
kjjm4
Liberty or Death
 
kjjm4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Wind Ridge, PA
kjjm4 is a founding member
 has been a member for 10 years
kjjm4 has achieved Level 1 in PbNation Pursuit
kjjm4 has achieved Level 2 in PbNation Pursuit
The federalists wanted a federal government that was strong enough to be functional, but had well defined limits with regard to its power (as set forth in the Constitution). I seriously doubt that they would have been too enthusiastic about the way our federal (we may as well stop calling it federal and start calling it national) government does things today.

Neither the GOP or the Democrats are anything remotely like the Federalists. The Federalists viewed the Constitution as inviolate, and our 2 parties view it as inconvenient.
__________________
ďA strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks."
-Thomas Jefferson
kjjm4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2009, 02:04 PM #17
Furious Ge0rge (Banned)
 
Furious Ge0rge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: flag@whitehouse.gov
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjjm4 View Post
The federalists wanted a federal government that was strong enough to be functional, but had well defined limits with regard to its power (as set forth in the Constitution). I seriously doubt that they would have been too enthusiastic about the way our federal (we may as well stop calling it federal and start calling it national) government does things today.

Neither the GOP or the Democrats are anything remotely like the Federalists. The Federalists viewed the Constitution as inviolate, and our 2 parties view it as inconvenient.


Also, as Rapier said, this was an entirely different generation. It would be hard to judge where they stand relative to the issues and ideologies of today.

You also have to keep in mind that the Federalist party was composed of people who had very differing ideas and beliefs, and they were united for the purpose of networking, not exactly ideology. For example, John Adams was a 'Federalist' but fiercely opposed Hamilton in many cases.
Furious Ge0rge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2009, 04:35 PM #18
Hirophant0
Historian at large
 
Hirophant0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Hirophant0 is an NCPA player
Hirophant0 plays in the APPA D5 division
Quote:
Originally Posted by Furious Ge0rge View Post


Also, as Rapier said, this was an entirely different generation. It would be hard to judge where they stand relative to the issues and ideologies of today.

You also have to keep in mind that the Federalist party was composed of people who had very differing ideas and beliefs, and they were united for the purpose of networking, not exactly ideology. For example, John Adams was a 'Federalist' but fiercely opposed Hamilton in many cases.
True, but even more so the differences between Hamilton and Jefferson is a good representation of the difference of opinions within the Federalist Party.
__________________
CONSUMER REPORTS 30+/0-
Hirophant0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
Forum Jump