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Old 04-26-2009, 12:29 PM #43
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I just performed the over dwelling test and it failed. Some of the shots where like a normal shot and the others weren't a full cycle. Does this mean I need to get my noid fixed?
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:03 AM #44
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To add to this tuning guide, I developed a more exact way to help set your dwell. Depending on if you have the time and a laptop, this Excel file will help you set your dwell correctly based on more exact calculations (averages).

Basically it does all of the calculations to help you sweet spot your dwell. All you have to do it sit in front of a chrono with a laptop and hammer the readings in. Time consuming? Yes, but its dead on.

You can download the worksheet and our results (last two tabs) directly from this link:

-Dwell Setting Excel Program-

-Click the link and choose SAVE.
-Enter all values in the blue highlighted boxes.
-Set the LPR first; keep the dwell at the stock 10.5ms; chrono until you reach an average of 290fps in cell B35. You may have to take several sets of readings to get the first column to average out to the desired FPS.
-When you reach 290fps, lower your dwell to 10ms, fire several shots to reset the dwell and take the second set of readings in column C.
-Continue the process of lowering the dwell in .5ms increments, shooting several shots to reset the dwell and take a new set of readings.
-Once the delta (or change from the original 290fps) in row 36 hits a value of -10 (~ 280 fps), a note in row 38 will pop up instructing the user to stop and increase their dwell by .5ms.
-Your dwell has then been set to your custom “sweet spot”.

Myself and another team member tested this file yesterday with our two Egos and it worked like a charm. I started the tuning guide at an average of 288fps and landed at a dwell of 8.5. My teammate started at an average of 291fps and landed at a dwell of 8.0.

We both started with our dwell at 10.5ms and 1 turn in on the LPR. I have the new smaller inner diameter solenoid barb installed and we both just installed the Cure 3 bolt. After tuning both markers, they shot beautifully.

After shooting nearly two cases yesterday, I pulled the rammer out to check the o-rings. The new solenoid barb and lower dwell seems to have fixed any o-ring shredding issues. Here's what my rammer looked like after installing the new solenoid barb and lowering my dwell:
-New Ego 09 shredding o-rings thread-

After following this performance guide and lowering my dwell to 8.5, I wanted to test efficiency so I filled up my tank to 3250psi and got 1350 shots. That calculates to 1869 shots on a true 4500psi fill.

After providing feedback to PE on the new solenoid barb and tuning results, they find that to be great efficiency.

On a side note, all testing was done at New Breed Paintball in West Milford, NJ. Thanks to Sky and Joe for their help.
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Old 04-27-2009, 08:10 PM #45
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Do I need a new solenoid if it shoots like normal at 3ms? How do I get this new solenoid barb?

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Old 04-29-2009, 10:54 AM #46
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Do I need a new solenoid if it shoots like normal at 3ms? How do I get this new solenoid barb?

-thanks
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Old 05-01-2009, 03:52 PM #47
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ive never messed with the lpr due to i have really no idea what it would do but does turning it only 1/2 a turn show any differences or does it just differ for each gun? cause i have an 07 ego with bumps in lpr and hpr.
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Old 05-06-2009, 10:54 PM #48
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should we wait till the gun is broken in?
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Old 05-10-2009, 10:54 PM #49
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Hyde. Can the dwell program be used with an 08 ego, or would that have different results?
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Old 05-11-2009, 07:40 AM #50
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Hyde. Can the dwell program be used with an 08 ego, or would that have different results?
Hey Jdeller,

The program can be used with any Ego marker. Just enter the chrono values in the program and it will tell you when to stop and bump your dwell up .5ms.

Please send me your results afterwards, I'm compiling a statistical file.
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Old 05-11-2009, 05:36 PM #51
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i dont have an accurate chrono at my house, so i will have to do this at my field either this weekend or next, then ill get you those results
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Old 05-11-2009, 10:57 PM #52
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also, what is the stock 08 ego dwell, so i can move down from there
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Old 05-12-2009, 12:45 AM #53
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Old 05-12-2009, 01:48 PM #54
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i dont have an accurate chrono at my house, so i will have to do this at my field either this weekend or next, then ill get you those results
I had to head to a local field to use their chrono and fill out the file.
Good luck and let me know what you find.
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Old 05-12-2009, 04:56 PM #55
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Great guide....
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Old 05-12-2009, 10:01 PM #56
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with my 08, should i start moving down from 12.5, or should i use your program and start at 10.5?
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Old 05-12-2009, 10:05 PM #57
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I would start at the stock dwell for your marker.
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with my 08, should i start moving down from 12.5, or should i use your program and start at 10.5?
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:22 PM #58
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Im sorry if this has been answered already, but what exactly does turning in the LPR do? I have an ego 8, and air fills are a nonfactor for me. Im really looking to decrease wear and tear (slowing the rammer travel? (This is accomplished by turning the LPR in?)), and have it shooting smoothly. Is this possible to accomplish?

So far what I have in my mind is higher dwell = smoother and easier on paint, but less efficient. But Im confused at what the LPR really does, and turning in which direction does what.

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Old 05-18-2009, 01:26 AM #59
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The LPR controls the pressure being used to cycle the rammer and so will indeed have an effect on the speed at which the rammer moves. Turning the screw in reduces the LPR's output pressure, and turning it out increases the pressure.

Be aware though that due to the LPR piston being balanced between two springs, large adjustments aren't really available (and would most likely only put the marker out of whack anyway) - any change of tension in one spring will lead to a change in tension of the other spring, so the two balance each other out to some extent. This is a fine adjustment only.

If you crank the LPR adjuster in to try and make a larger adjustment, you could end up damaging the reg seat seal, and then you would need a new LPR piston.
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Old 05-18-2009, 01:54 PM #60
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Thanks for the quick response!

So just so this is completely clear in my head Turning in the LPR screw is generally beneficial because it slows the rammer speed and reduces impact force? What are the negative effects to doing this? Noise? Slower cycling speeds?
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Old 05-18-2009, 03:11 PM #61
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You would reduce the maximum achievable cycle speed, but like I said, this is a relatively small adjustment, and Ego's can be plenty fast as is, so not a big issue.

Too low an LPR pressure could potentially also lead to reduced velocity and rammer stick issues.
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:32 PM #62
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how would i go about reducing the kick in my ego8? it shoots fragile paint fairly well at the moment, and i dont care to change that, so how would i go about lessening the amount of kick that i have.
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:08 PM #63
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I can't really seem to find this but..

What are the benefits of screwing your LPR inward or screwing it outward, obviously not screwing it all the way maybe just 1/2 or 1/4 turns. Also what are the negative consequences. Sorry if its already answered.
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