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Old 04-06-2009, 01:38 PM #22
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here it is
total length of modded poppet = 33.1mm = 1.303149 inch

as you can see on big photo it is just not fully screwed in.
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:33 PM #23
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it seems this mod can be done for PROTEGE too
will check soon
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:51 PM #24
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it seems this mod can be done for PROTEGE too
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well obviously, seeing as the vice and protege use the same poppet setup...
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Old 04-06-2009, 03:03 PM #25
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well obviously, seeing as the vice and protege use the same poppet setup...
bolts a bit different, but seems mod should work)
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:13 AM #26
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Good job on this mod. Its a wonder no one tried it before.
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Old 04-09-2009, 08:54 PM #27
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how's your efficiency now? how about your ability to shoot brittle paint (with the decreased dwell)?
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Old 04-10-2009, 12:48 AM #28
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efficiency went down - less for couple pods on 65/45, but who care if it is improves accuracy and opponent gets "out" much aesier?)
since high pressure was decreased due to this mod it will be less ballbreaks on britle paint (if will at all)
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Old 04-10-2009, 04:01 AM #29
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If you are wondering why your efficiency went down some, that has to do with the design of the bolt. The inlet of the bolt won't line up quite right with outlet of the valve when the valve is initially opened. Since the actual time a poppet valve is open is very, very short this will cause some wasted air and require you to raise some settings.

This mod will not increase accuracy at all. It's just not physically possible.
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Old 04-10-2009, 05:58 AM #30
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This mod will not increase accuracy at all. It's just not physically possible.
Funny, but it does. Funny because you even not tried to find any reason why it will be impossible. Just "not physically possible". Strong claim.

What is not physically impossible with this mod? lowering hpr? But it is proven - hpr adjusment was unscrewed for 3/4 of turn.

More gentle acceleration of paintball with lower hpr will not help to achieve more accuracy? Try to think here. Logically.

ps efficiency went down not over misaligment of bolt' inlet and intake holes but over longer time spool valve stayed open.
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Funny, but it does. Funny because you even not tried to find any reason why it will be impossible. Just "not physically possible". Strong claim.

What is not physically impossible with this mod? lowering hpr? But it is proven - hpr adjusment was unscrewed for 3/4 of turn.

More gentle acceleration of paintball with lower hpr will not help to achieve more accuracy? Try to think here. Logically.

ps efficiency went down not over misaligment of bolt' inlet and intake holes but over longer time spool valve stayed open.
are you trying to say that low pressure is more accurate than high pressure...

cause if you are...
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Funny, but it does. Funny because you even not tried to find any reason why it will be impossible. Just "not physically possible". Strong claim.

What is not physically impossible with this mod? lowering hpr? But it is proven - hpr adjusment was unscrewed for 3/4 of turn.

More gentle acceleration of paintball with lower hpr will not help to achieve more accuracy? Try to think here. Logically.

ps efficiency went down not over misaligment of bolt' inlet and intake holes but over longer time spool valve stayed open.
Accuracy will not get "better" unless you use "better" paint.
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are you trying to say that low pressure is more accurate than high pressure...

cause if you are...
mate, to much question in my head))
what is low and what is high for High pressure? spyder 850 psi - is it high?
DLX Luxe 190 psi - is it low? need it to be lower like dm9 - 145 psi? need it to be adjusted higher?

what affects accurasy and what improves it? is it eliminating of kick will help? is it smooth operating performance it as advantage?

I guess it is some amount of 'backup'ed' high pressure setted for vice. I can be lower. It can be smoother. (perhaps that is why Bob Long sells LP poppets now. or - not?)
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Accuracy will not get "better" unless you use "better" paint.
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Old 04-10-2009, 09:45 AM #35
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The LP poppet is designed to lower the inline reg pressure and results in a softer/quieter shot. This can help stop ball breakage...but otherwise has no affect on accuracy. An Ego running at 200 psi, will have the same accuracy (with the same paint and barrel) as a Droid running at 100 psi. There will be a slight difference in the balls trajectory, but definitely not enough for you to notice it (and definitely not enough to affect your game). The whole idea that some markers lob paint and others shoot flatter is all in your head...
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The LP poppet is designed to lower the inline reg pressure and results in a softer/quieter shot. This can help stop ball breakage...but otherwise has no affect on accuracy. An Ego running at 200 psi, will have the same accuracy (with the same paint and barrel) as a Droid running at 100 psi. There will be a slight difference in the balls trajectory, but definitely not enough for you to notice it (and definitely not enough to affect your game). The whole idea that some markers lob paint and others shoot flatter is all in your head...
After doing this mod was increased percentage of tagert hitting (reballs, single ball shooting, not stream). That is my coach' opinion.
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gotcha! by accuracy you mean consistancy-"shooting darts" :thumbsup:...alrighty cool man god job either way...
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Accuracy. There is scientific evidence to support the idea that accuracy is not increased over longer dwell times and is not overly affected by the type of marker used. In addition, there is no correlation to velocity and relative accuracy of a marker.
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Accuracy. There is scientific evidence to support the idea that accuracy is not increased over longer dwell times and is not overly affected by the type of marker used. In addition, there is no correlation to velocity and relative accuracy of a marker.
I am not argue with things you mentioned. I am sure, you are able to grab the marker and 3-4 different brand of paint and tell - which paint better (shoots more accurate. relatively), so you are able to notice the difference in accuracy. I mean shot-to-shot consistency. After doing this mode I noticed improving of accuracy on same kind of paint (same party, same storage condition) with vice. Need to say, 6 or 7 stock vices I saw imho shoots not so good like previous Bob Long kids - I mean alias, dark, 2k2 I owned before. Before this mod I was a bit disappointed, my teammate even trade his vice for closer.
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Old 04-11-2009, 03:59 AM #40
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I turned out hpr from vice and just screwed in shocker with gauge to get hpr pressure this mode allow to drop.
I can't believe! O_o it 1s 140ish!!!!

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Old 12-17-2010, 12:11 PM #41
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This is how I imagine it works:

1. The LP poppet is tappered more forward of the oring (where the RAM impacts). Thus letting more volume of air escape during a RAM hit.

2. Making the poppet longer just adds more spring tension on the poppet. Requiring more pressure on the LPR to open the valve. This may not be enough to matter though.

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Old 12-17-2010, 12:24 PM #42
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I used to do this for kids with spyders who would slap a regulator on the front thinking that's all it took to make their guns low pressure lol. Of course, they would have issues. A quick cup seal reversal with locktit......voila!

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