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Old 02-17-2009, 01:48 PM #1
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threaded loaders?

i just thought up a GREAT idea! (IMO)

instead of having feednecks, why not thread the loaders with current feedneck threads?
for example, if you have an nxt shocker, instead of putting on a qlock, you can have a halo with nxt feedneck threads so you can just screw in the loader without the feedneck!

this could greatly reduce the height of the loader and for those people looking for *the* lightest gun, it could help their marker be a few ounces lighter!

BTW! this was my original idea! i didn't get this from anyone else and i dont even know if there is a thread on here about it, so if i accidently thought up someone else's idea, im sorry. but for now, i guess im the only one =)

anyone thing its a good idea?
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:08 PM #2
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not too great of an idea, could crack the shells easier, the hopper wont always sit straight, and the bodies will have to be totally changed due to the screw in system
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:27 PM #3
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The loader companies would also have to change the material they use. Most composites cannot handle that kind of stress and the threads would strip way too easily.
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:33 PM #4
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ULTIMATE FTL.. Keep the brain a think'in, but this would wreck a lot of guns and hoppers
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Old 02-17-2009, 03:50 PM #5
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Its not an Ultimate FTL. Its good thinking. This would work for guns that already employ the use of threaded feed necks. All you would have to change it loader design not really the gun's body design. The feed neck portion of the loader would be made possibly of aluminum, or just an aluminum sleeve that goes around the feed neck going up and molded into the body of the loader.
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:22 PM #6
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not too great of an idea, could crack the shells easier, the hopper wont always sit straight, and the bodies will have to be totally changed due to the screw in system

how would it crack the shells easier...? and why wouldn't the hopper sit straight? unless you messed up threading it, i wouldn't see why it wouldn't sit straight
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:48 PM #7
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how would it crack the shells easier...? and why wouldn't the hopper sit straight? unless you messed up threading it, i wouldn't see why it wouldn't sit straight
The threads don't start in the same place on every breech. So, for the loader to sit right on each gun, you'd have to make each loader specific to a certain gun. Unless the threaded neck was able to rotate, but then you might just as well have a clamping feedneck.
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:58 PM #8
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Because where the threads start on the feedneck are not always in the same spot so that means whatever you screw it on different guns it will get tight in different spots. It is nice to see some people around here actually use their heads for something other than a hat rack but this idea is just not feasible for hopper companys. In order to do this they would have to make tooling for every kind of feedneck out there which would be expensive. Also all hopper shells are injection molded plastic so they would have to use a material that could be machined because injection molding and fine threads like on a feedneck dont get along too well. Another thing you have to realize is, will someone really spend $100+ on a hopper that will work for one or two types of guns? If they decided to get a gun with a different feedneck thread then they would have to spend that money all over again. It was a good shot but I dont think it would be in the hopper company's best interest.

On a side note, a few years back someone built a gun with the hopper built into the gun. I was quite odd looking, I will see if I can find a pic...
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Old 02-17-2009, 05:03 PM #9
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I agree this is not a good idea.

There would be considerable stress on the neck and you'd have to change the feedneck of the loader to a metal one, which would creat more weight.

Also, not all guns have a threaded feedneck port. thus making this a useless idea.

A better solution is finding a way to defy physics and put 200 .68 cal balls in a space the size of your fist.
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Old 02-17-2009, 05:11 PM #10
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This could work. The company that makes the loader would probably have to release there own feedneck for each system. The loader feedneck would have to be made of metal and you would have to ensure that the threading lined up to center the loader on each marker (which can easily be done, paintball companies have just been too lazy to do it). Overall I think it would be far more complicated than just using a clamping feedneck design, but it would definately help better secure the loader.

Good thinking man, don't let the haters discourage you.
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Old 02-17-2009, 06:48 PM #11
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imagine stripping the threads & your loader falls off. lol.
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Old 02-17-2009, 07:22 PM #12
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imagine stripping the threads & your loader falls off. lol.
This is as likely as your barrel threads stripping and losing your barrel.
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Old 02-17-2009, 08:27 PM #13
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This is as likely as your barrel threads stripping and losing your barrel.
Feedneck threads get stripped all the time. Barrel threads are alot thicker and much more coarse, so they don't strip as easily.
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Old 02-17-2009, 08:56 PM #14
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This is as likely as your barrel threads stripping and losing your barrel.
incorrect, barrels are round & have a guide so by the time your screwing it onto your gun the barrel is already lined up & its easy to screw in

loaders are big, bulky, heavy (compared to a barrel), & the threading stars immediately so there is a much higher risk of stripping the threads, it is more awkward to screw in than a perfectly round barrel, and there is more stress on the threads.



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Feedneck threads get stripped all the time. Barrel threads are alot thicker and much more coarse, so they don't strip as easily.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:49 PM #15
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also some people have trouble putting there tanks on their guns.(as in crossthreading) you think they will do better with a hoper that has the threads on it....
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:55 PM #16
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Feedneck threads get stripped all the time. Barrel threads are alot thicker and much more coarse, so they don't strip as easily.
I am aware that feedneck threads can strip. It also depends on the threading used on the feedneck. What I was referring to it being unlikely that if there was a threaded loader that the threads would strip just from play.
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:17 PM #17
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Ive thought of something similar to this a while ago, except the feedneck on the hopper screws into the feedneck on the gun.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:33 AM #18
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then y not jus use a clamping...? ^^^
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:08 PM #19
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then y not jus use a clamping...? ^^^
cheaper, no moving parts


the ultimate issue is that thin plastic doesn't take threads well. the grooves would take up half the wall thickness. You think hopper feednecks break often now, try cutting the thickness in half and give it no chance to slide/flex.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:57 PM #20
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Unless you employ some type of system like Stiffi's new all-CF threads. But even then, you're either talking about creating a carbon fiber hopper or a collar, which would basically be just like a regular feedneck. Plus, people have preferences on how tall they want their hoppers to sit.

Also, if you created an "NXT threaded" hopper, then you're talking about changing hoppers everytime you change markers.
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Old 02-19-2009, 02:02 PM #21
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Unless you employ some type of system like Stiffi's new all-CF threads. But even then, you're either talking about creating a carbon fiber hopper or a collar, which would basically be just like a regular feedneck. Plus, people have preferences on how tall they want their hoppers to sit.

Also, if you created an "NXT threaded" hopper, then you're talking about changing hoppers everytime you change markers.
it was just an example. you could have like a feedneck kit (kind like a barrel kit) where you can interchange feedneck threads? lol idk.
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