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Old 02-09-2009, 02:44 PM #22
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Does AAPP have specific days planned when they do this? I would love to play a few games there with this rule in effect, it sound like a good time.
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Old 02-09-2009, 02:49 PM #23
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sounds cool to give yourself a handicap, or do drills. I want billyball mode.
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Old 02-09-2009, 02:56 PM #24
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This is horrible for paintball field owners. They want more paint consumption.
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Old 02-09-2009, 02:58 PM #25
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lol. lame. Why not just rent pumps?

I'll predict that after people play with billys balls for about 5 months(7 months tops), they will want their normal ROF back. I'm sure it's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:06 PM #26
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This is horrible for paintball field owners. They want more paint consumption.
If it attracts more people it will make up for the loss of paint used per a person. And its cheaper for the player, which will allow them to play longer or come out again next week. This is like saying Stock class pumpers, like me, is bad for a fields.
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:10 PM #27
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This is horrible for paintball field owners. They want more paint consumption.
Any field owner that has been running a field for years knows that more paint consumption is not the way to go right now with new players. I would assume you would know that considering you're a "pro" player, but I guess not.
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:12 PM #28
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This is horrible for paintball field owners. They want more paint consumption.
If it helps more younger players get started, then how can it be bad? Like it was said previously... this is geared toward young kid birthday parties, or other similar occasions. Once they get hooked and get over their initial fear, they'll start playing with the "normal" groups. Kids playing at 0.5 bps is better than them not playing at all, definitely will shoot more paint anyway.

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lol. lame. Why not just rent pumps?

I'll predict that after people play with billys balls for about 5 months(7 months tops), they will want their normal ROF back. I'm sure it's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.
Low ROF electros are easier to use than pumps for newer players. They often have a hard time shooting straight or remembering to fill their hoppers, let alone remembering to pump (or to not pump twice and double feed). Plus, these same guns can be used for other groups (i.e. not kids) and set to shoot at a higher ROF. You wouldn't expect fields to have two sets of guns, right?
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:14 PM #29
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If it attracts more people it will make up for the loss of paint used per a person. And its cheaper for the player, which will allow them to play longer or come out again next week. This is like saying Stock class pumpers, like me, is bad for a fields.
more over, i think the idea is to win over new players that will come back more than once. if you can get people hooked in a less threatening environment, maybe they will buy gear, come back and play regularly, and shoot a case a day.
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:17 PM #30
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This is like saying Stock class pumpers, like me, is bad for a fields.
If there was an army of you, then yes. It would be bad.
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:24 PM #31
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Plus, these same guns can be used for other groups (i.e. not kids) and set to shoot at a higher ROF. You wouldn't expect fields to have two sets of guns, right?
Ok, ya got me there
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:30 PM #32
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:31 PM #33
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more over, i think the idea is to win over new players that will come back more than once. if you can get people hooked in a less threatening environment, maybe they will buy gear, come back and play regularly, and shoot a case a day.
Bingo!!! Hit it right on the money.
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:42 PM #34
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LOL, sounds awesome. One of the most fun things we used to do was break out the old SL-68's at my old field. Get all the really experienced players together and it was an absolute blast.

I think people underestimate how much fun something like this could be.

I know people get burned out on the sport, playing every weekend and having to pay for that. It gets to be less fun and more work. Throw in a day of Billy ball a couple times a year and it's all fun again.

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This is horrible for paintball field owners. They want more paint consumption.
Do you make more money selling paintballs or renting equipment? If you get a group who is willing to return to your field on a regular basis soon you will have paid for the rental equipment and will be turning 100% profit every time you rent a gun. A rental vibe is what? Near $100, you rent that gun 6-8 times and everything after that is money in your pocket. You use this format and it only costs someone $30 to come play for a day and they're going to do it much more often.

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Old 02-09-2009, 03:46 PM #35
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I think it's a good idea for the new comers to the sport. The only thing that might be good is maybe kicking it up to 1bps instead of 0.5.

I would think it will relieve the fear of getting lit up. I know that was my dad's perspective after the first game he played he got stitched up the ribs with about 6 or 7 shots...he didn't like that (but I sure as hell loved it...but that's besides the point )...

And as far as how the field owners perspective, as it said in the original article...it will change their business model & make them look at it as a time & service item rather than an opportunity to just sell paint. Fields can profit with this just like paint sales...they just need to think.

Overall, I like it...I'd like to play it. I just might when the AXBL heads down to AAPP this summer
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:04 PM #36
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This sounds like it would be a nice training tool, I wonder if it will become a style of pickup games.
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:06 PM #37
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:16 PM #38
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Ahhhh....see, it seems I was denied vital need to know information. Like the fact that it's not being forced onto players. I found the full article in the Field owners section. It made more sense. I approve



Smart Parts announces Billy-Ball for the Rental Vibe

Smart Parts introduces a new firing mode for the rental version of the Vibe electropneumatic paintball marker aimed at reducing rate of fire.

Loyalhanna, PA – February 8, 2009 – The new Billy-Ball firing mode available in Vibe rental markers from Smart Parts, Inc., restricts a players' rate of fire, opening up more opportunities for paintball field operators.

“It's pretty ironic,” says Smart Parts President Bill Gardner Jr., for whom the mode is named, “we've pushed the limits of marker rate of fire to meet player demand, but at the beginning levels of the sport that's scaring off newer players.”

Gardner's own sons were anxious about jumping in to walk-on games at Smart Parts' home field, the All-American Paintball Park in Greensburg, PA.

“Most of us around the factory started out in the days of pump paintball, so we never faced that kind of intimidation, it was a different game with those lower rates of fire. We've had a lot of field owners tell us they needed a way to address it, and they couldn't afford to keep a second set of pump markers on hand, while their more experienced customers want higher performance. The solution was easy, and it all boiled down to software.”

The microprocessor “brain” of the Vibe can be configured with custom firing modes tailored to a particular paintball field's needs. The Billy-Ball firing mode allows the Vibe to fire at a rate of 0.5 bps, or one ball every two seconds, simulating the rate of fire typical in pump-action paintball games. The new mode was first tested at the All-American Paintball Park and met with an immediately positive response from the Smart Parts staff members playing, as well as visiting field owners who had an opportunity to try it out after technical training classes. More importantly, the mode was quickly embraced by groups playing paintball for the first time.

In its first month of use, Billy-Ball's advantages in a rental marker became quickly apparent:
- Group sales, especially with younger players, are increasing as less paint in the air means less welts and less intimidation.
- Package pricing for Billy-Ball moves away from being paint-centered, to being facilities and time centered.
- The reduced cost of consumables allows for higher per-group profits.
- Increased rate of returning, occasional play customers.
- Fewer referees are needed to monitor a game with less firepower.
- Cleanup – especially for indoor fields - is easier with less paint on the field.

“Because of the lower paint consumption, we're able to put together birthday party package prices that are more affordable,” says All-American Field Manager Tim Montressor. “When paint was a variable, parents were concerned about going over budget before the day is out. Billy-Ball has taken care of that sales obstacle. We can offer a per-child price for their party that is all-inclusive – it's already making a difference in sales.”

Surprisingly, some of the more experienced regular walk-on customers have been spending time playing Billy-Ball games as well, using it as a tool to improve their communication, movement and snap-shooting skills without relying on high rates of fire to hold their game together. Even though they are renting a marker, these players are still saving money on a day's play because Billy-Ball requires so much less paint. Not only does the customer save money, but the income the field generates is a return on its investment in rental markers, instead of money it must spend on buying more paint.

SP-1 markers purchased in field-rental quantities are also available with similar features and Billy-Ball programming. Smart Parts plans to make Billy-Ball available in future updates to most of its product line.
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I dont even see how its good for newer players that may come back to the sport. If anything you give them a false concept of how paintball is really played. If they do decide to paly again and nobody is using said mode then itll be just as shocking. If you cant handle playig like everyone else the first time, then you probably shouldnt be playing paintball.
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:19 PM #40
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Not if your bringing new players to your field who wouldnt normally come out. Plus you can make a package price that would include rental and a certain amount of paint. Its actually a great idea for field owners. It introduces new players who can eventually become more advanced players.
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first thing that came to mind was that it's like muskets

this could be fun for streetball too when you get tired and your down to that last pod of paint.
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If you cant handle playig like everyone else the first time, then you probably shouldnt be playing paintball.
How does everyone else play?

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...When people play paintball for their first time they want to have fun, not get shot up multiple times. This method solves the getting shot up multiple times problem very quickly and effectively, and also keeps the price down which in return could result in them coming back to play more often, which is something this sport needs very badly right now.

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