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Old 01-10-2009, 11:37 PM #1
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How To: Identify What Empire Mini Generation Parts You Have

To start, I know this won't eliminate the questions, that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm creating a source to which people can link or reference when a question arises.

I've owned minis since they day they were released, over 15 of them total (I am now down to 5, two of them still shrink wrapped and one has been in anno for over 4 months. I have seen and owned all versions of all the parts every manufactured for the mini, including some that have never been released. I am not 100% sure on the dates/batches in which these revisions were made/released.
Special thanks to the folks at KEE for all the help over the last couple years.


Some crap you might have laying around if you're a mini owner. sometimes I like to lay it all out and roll in it.


Bolt Guide - Part#27 - Kee added a bleed off hole to vent air down the barrel in the case that a ball or finger stopped the bolt during it's cycle. (red arrow)


Bolt Guide - they also took off one of the retainer screw grooves.


Poppet - Part#33 - Left to right; V1, V3, V4. This does not include the defective poppets, they were machined wrong and don't count as a version. The fix for the defects were essentially a Version 1.5. Version 3 added a spring, to self-reset the poppet (part# 79). Version 4 added a two-piece design to allow for the replacement of the face seal (part# 80) This part is pictured above in black delrin, however the production version is white nylon.


Trigger activation magnet screw - Part#70 - KEE added a threaded magnet to stop the darned thing from falling off every time you opened the grip frame.


Detents Part#36- Made a longer detent and cover to prevent them from turning sideways and jamming. These V2 detents (on left) are the last ones you'll ever need.


The Regulator Part#53 - Version 2 added a flush mount bleed valve, as well as changed the position of the front cap retainer set screw to the top to keep newbs from causing serious damage to their minis. It's also worth while to note that early Invert Minis came with a 600psi micro gauge, while later minis came with a 300psi micro gauge (part# 62).


Main Body Part#1 - You probably can't see from this photo, but the inside diameter of the landing BEHIND the threads was enlarged on later bodies to allow for the use of all autococker threaded barrels. (the old bodies don't fit some large diameter barrels like the old freaks and some J&J barrels)


Polished - a close up of my fully polished mini body


BOLT - Oh and here is my stock bolt, used on mini number 001700 since I got her two years ago, every weekend, case after case, tournament after tournament. Yea she's ugly but.... hey... stock performs the best!
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Old 01-10-2009, 11:42 PM #2
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you never fail to amaze me fatal.....

and yes, your last statement is solid.....

uhm i think this thread is golden

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Old 01-11-2009, 12:09 AM #3
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:29 AM #4
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Sticky! Also don't forget the early 600PSI guages Vs. the new 300PSI ones.. And thanks for the reminder, i need to buy a threaded trigger magnet like pictured, i had to shoe goo mine on the screw, lol
EDIT: that polished body is teh secks! I gotta do mine now
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:08 AM #5
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There's a similar thread
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2772400
Maybe we could combine them somehow?

I learned some reading yours though...



Where can we order the new versions and know that we're for sure getting the newest version?
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Old 01-11-2009, 09:13 AM #6
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Sticky! Also don't forget the early 600PSI guages Vs. the new 300PSI ones.. And thanks for the reminder, i need to buy a threaded trigger magnet like pictured, i had to shoe goo mine on the screw, lol
EDIT: that polished body is teh secks! I gotta do mine now
ah yes I did forget that, and I have both new picture coming soon!
also the solenoid - at first I didn't bother taking pictures, because KEE/Invert doesn't make these noids they are contracted from a separate company, but there IS a difference so I'll edit with that info also


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Where can we order the new versions and know that we're for sure getting the newest version?
you can order parts at Boss Paintball
but the only sure fire way - BUY LOCAL
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:30 PM #7
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Great thread, good pics, nice work. I know the other one was already in the Mega-Sticky but this one is a little more informative so I wanted to make it more visible.
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:57 PM #8
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Awesome stuff, good thread man.
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:55 PM #9
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I noticed today that there are two different versions of the grip panels. The older ones are softer and are made up of only rubber. The newer ones are a bit thicker and they have a sheet of metal embedded inside. (I know it sounds weird, but that was the best way that I could think of to describe it.)

Also, since this thread got stickied, you might want to link to the other one. (or at least add the information about the warning labels)
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Old 01-11-2009, 05:51 PM #10
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Old 01-11-2009, 08:13 PM #11
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I noticed today that there are two different versions of the grip panels. The older ones are softer and are made up of only rubber. The newer ones are a bit thicker and they have a sheet of metal embedded inside. (I know it sounds weird, but that was the best way that I could think of to describe it.)

Also, since this thread got stickied, you might want to link to the other one. (or at least add the information about the warning labels)
can't tell that from pictures, all my minis have had the metal bar
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Old 01-11-2009, 08:27 PM #12
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what are the advantages of the gen 3 poppet over the gen 2 poppet?
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Old 01-11-2009, 08:47 PM #13
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you can replace the face seal, which is available in packs for less than the price of replacing the entire poppet (because the face seal is a seal just like an o-ring and wears out over time)
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Old 01-11-2009, 09:04 PM #14
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Too bad that it will never be read since it was made a sticky.
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Old 01-11-2009, 09:09 PM #15
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Version 2 introduced the spring into the poppit? Because i have a face that resembles the second version but no spring!
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Old 01-11-2009, 11:00 PM #16
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can't tell that from pictures, all my minis have had the metal bar
Very true. I was shocked when I felt the grips without it. They were squishy and when you squeezed them you could feel the grip frame underneath.
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Old 01-12-2009, 12:18 PM #17
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FYI:

the poppet in the picture with the black head is not a production v4 poppet. the production head is off-white nylon, not black.
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Old 01-12-2009, 12:22 PM #18
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thanks for the info Harry
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:43 AM #19
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Nice thread. I definitly learned some new stuff. 15 minis might be a bit obsessive. lol
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:46 PM #20
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yea hi have the original mini body and is there anyway i can get a newer one without buyin a whole new mini cuz the new barrel i bought for it doesnt fit
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yea hi have the original mini body and is there anyway i can get a newer one without buyin a whole new mini cuz the new barrel i bought for it doesnt fit
that sounds like the barrel is the problem does you stock barrel fit.
a mini has cocker threads
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