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Old 01-19-2009, 01:57 PM #22
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A few:
Performance = Large internal volume, very good recharge, and reaction rates
Adjustment knob tension set screw
Easy to work on, but rarely needs to be done
Off the shelf standard seals though out, so no problem getting parts
Good fit and finish
Cheap
In that order.
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:06 PM #23
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Now what would the diff be between the fgp and say the rock?

Money?

And now that we're on the topic of lpr's, I had a question as I think it mite be lpr related...

I have a micro rock on my Karni, and when in classic mode, that's how I adjust lpr on a karni, ill notice when I pull and hold the trigger, that after the bolt/back block go back, they sort of slowly inch further back a bit, maybe a 1/4 inch or so...

Is this an lpr prob? Or a 3way prob? Or maybe even a ram prob? Any help wud be appreciated...
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Old 01-21-2009, 01:33 PM #24
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Assuming that nothing is leaking, it could just be that it goes back further initially because of the impact of the mass of the bolt, backblock, and pump arm carry some inertia when moving backwards. When the inertia is spent, everything settles forward a little. Just a guess...
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Old 01-22-2009, 04:53 PM #25
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The back block creeps back a little because the LPR is set just high enough to cock the gun, but not high enough to completely bottom out the ram, and compress the main spring. It's a side effect of the Karni having a slightly short IVG rod from the factory, and the fact that the LPR is a little low.

Why an FGP over a Rock or mini Rock? When I was using a mini-Rock, the knob would wiggle loose, slowly lowering the LPR output when the LPR was set to the correct pressure. If I turned it up, the extra spring tension would hold the knob in place, but where I wanted it, every 200 or so shots, I had to tweak it back up, or the gun wouldn't cycle correctly. Also, at where I wanted it, the Rock wouldn't keep up with high ROF. I had to give it another 1/4 turn, or the gun would choke at anything over 5 bps. With the FGP, the knob doesn't move, and I can set the LPR at the bare minimum of cocking pressure, and have no problems with recharge rates at high ROF.
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:56 PM #26
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yeah i had many problems with palmer's stuff too...
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Old 01-24-2009, 12:02 PM #27
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OK - so for performance it's AKA all the way.

What about looks?
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Old 01-24-2009, 01:33 PM #28
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They look like the palmer ones
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Old 01-24-2009, 02:06 PM #29
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They look like the palmer ones
LOL, I meant which LPR looks the best.
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Old 01-24-2009, 02:10 PM #30
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haha my bad, pick
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Old 01-24-2009, 05:23 PM #31
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i like the black WGP bullet, tickler, or eclipse dart
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Old 01-24-2009, 08:37 PM #32
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is the belsales lpr not good? i thought they would be awsome for the price!
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:40 PM #33
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they are good. we are just talking about looks really. they are the same as an eclipse, they are really big though and it and the eclipse both dont turn off
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Old 01-25-2009, 07:52 PM #34
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what do u mean turn off? the lpr is supposed to be turned off everytime i play?
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:08 PM #35
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The back block creeps back a little because the LPR is set just high enough to cock the gun, but not high enough to completely bottom out the ram, and compress the main spring. It's a side effect of the Karni having a slightly short IVG rod from the factory, and the fact that the LPR is a little low.
Why an FGP over a Rock or mini Rock? When I was using a mini-Rock, the knob would wiggle loose, slowly lowering the LPR output when the LPR was set to the correct pressure. If I turned it up, the extra spring tension would hold the knob in place, but where I wanted it, every 200 or so shots, I had to tweak it back up, or the gun wouldn't cycle correctly. Also, at where I wanted it, the Rock wouldn't keep up with high ROF. I had to give it another 1/4 turn, or the gun would choke at anything over 5 bps. With the FGP, the knob doesn't move, and I can set the LPR at the bare minimum of cocking pressure, and have no problems with recharge rates at high ROF.
hmm maybe thaaats my problem, the screw is wiggling loose. im gonna install an scm and see.

Now does the ram have to bottom out? Its almost like it shouldnt because then the lug would most likely be slapping the body. No?


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what do u mean turn off? the lpr is supposed to be turned off everytime i play?
No he means when ur turn the lpr all the way "off" it still puts out pressure...
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hmm maybe thaaats my problem, the screw is wiggling loose. im gonna install an scm and see.

Now does the ram have to bottom out? Its almost like it shouldnt because then the lug would most likely be slapping the body. No?




No he means when ur turn the lpr all the way "off" it still puts out pressure...
I always adjust my lpr so that the ram bottoms out on my Karnivor. I found that if I set it lower, it wouldn't recock reliably. The lug won't even come close to hitting the body.
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:17 PM #37
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if you were to mid/half your gun when you have a beslsale/nexus lpr, you get tons of kick
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if you were to mid/half your gun when you have a beslsale/nexus lpr, you get tons of kick
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:32 PM #39
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they dont go to low psi
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Old 01-27-2009, 06:19 PM #40
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Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of great LPR's out there but don't forget, the tickler did come on the Karni and was the cocker to beat for a long time.
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:02 PM #41
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they dont go to low psi
what ram runs lower?
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:10 PM #42
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the eclipse nexus ram has a lot of pop on it if an SCM III or some sort of rock lpr isnt used with it when your guns halfed/midded in my experience. the ANS mini ram runs at a lot lower preaaure and its smooth. same goes for th FreeFlow
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