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Old 01-01-2009, 10:41 AM #1
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Good Design, Bad Manufacture.

Sorry, i dont have time for translate.

Muchas veces los fabricantes diseñan bien un producto, pero a la hora de la fabricacion de
los componentes, las cosas no van bien, por lo que se deben dar explicaciones y en muchos
casos cuando las empresas son serias y responsables, retirar y cambiar productos,
por desgracia no es el caso de Smartparts, que deliberadamente le hecha la culpa a las
"Baterias", Mito que desenmascararemos a continuacion.[/left]


Post en que representantes de la empresa culpan las baterias (mentira absoluta)

Leer ultimo Post
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2901125

Leer cuarto post
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2824453

Los dos posteos son relativamente nuevos, con un producto ya de segunda o tercera generacion.

Este es el caso de muchas Smartparts SP1, que traen problemas de fabrica, ya que funcionan
en forma irregular y aleatoria, sonando "pop" al disparar,esto se debe a una falla en la
fabricacion de los solenoides, que despues de un tiempo dejan de funcionar correctamente.
En un principio al igual que a muchos otros se me dijo que eran las baterias, cambie de
Duracell nuevas a Energizer y vice versa, algunas veces se corregia el problema y otras no.

Despues de leer numerosos post, razonar y hacer varias pruebas de voltaje con diferentes
baterias, incluso recargables de 9.6v, me di cuenta de que no puede ser que un producto sea
sensible a las "variaciones de las baterias", por lo que modifique el Dwell haciendo varios
experimentos, el que trae de fabrica es de 65ms para Co2, lo lleve a mas de 90ms sin obtener una
solucion aceptable.



Por lo anterior deduje que el problema estaba en el solenoide, dificil de creer en un
producto nuevo pero asi es.
Esto se debe a que despues de un tiempo de uso, la pieza
que envuelve la bobina se suelta, por lo que tiene juego axial, limitando el recorrido de
la armadura en forma aleatoria, exigiendo mas voltaje para hacer funcionar el solenoide, ya que
la armadura debe mover las dos partes en vez de una, ya que algunas veces por gravedad la pieza
descansa sobre la armadura.



Lo anterior se debe a una holgura excesiva entre el nucleo de la bobina y la pieza metalica,
producto bien diseñado pero mal construido.

Solucion

La solucion es rellenar con Loctite (Acero liquido), la holgura existente, para eliminar
el juego axial y permitir que la armadura se mueva dentro del recorrido que los diseñadores
estipularon.

Esta operacion es bastante delicada ya que se debe remover totalmente la bobina del cuerpo
plastico, no lo recomiendo si no se tiene algo de habilidad mecanica.




Una vez realizada la reparacion, la marcadora funciona impecable, con un Dwell de 30ms y con una
bateria vieja, con un voltaje de 8.2v es decir la mitad de lo que trae de fabrica y con
una bateria casi agotada (Se considera agotada con 8v) cosa que era imposible de hacer debido a su falla de fabrica.


Lo que me causa rabia, es que esta falla debe estar en conocimiento de Smartparts, pero en vez
de solucionar el problema de dedican a dar excusas y a mentir deliberadamente como quedo
demostrado.

Tambien he leido que la SP1 consume rapido las Baterias, posiblemente se deba a lo anterior.

Si tu SP1 funciona aleatoriamente o te duran poco las baterias, lo mas probable es que tengas
la pieza metalica suelta.

No siempre crean todo lo que lean o les digan, ya que muchas veces
los fabricantes ocultan la verdad.
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:19 AM #2
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If you don't have time to translate, why would you post?

This is an english message board, and while there may be a few members than can read what I think is Spanish, I'm sure that most can not.

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Old 01-01-2009, 11:56 AM #3
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I don't speak Spanish, but this is what Google came up with when I ran it through the translator:

Sorry, i dont have time for translate.

Often, manufacturers design a product, but when it comes to manufacturing components, things are not going well, which should provide explanations and in many cases when companies are serious and responsible, remove and change products unfortunately not the case Smartparts that he deliberately made to blame "Batteries", then to expose that myth.

Post in which company representatives blame batteries (absolute lie)

Read Last Post http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2901125
Read the fourth post http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2824453

The two posts are relatively new, a product of the second or third generation. This is the case with many Smartparts SP1, bringing manufacturing problems, and that work irregularly shaped and random sounding "pop" to shoot, this is due to a malfunction in the manufacture of solenoids, which after a while stop working correctly.

At first like many others said they were batteries, change Duracell and Energizer new vice versa, sometimes corrected the problem and others do not. After reading numerous post, reasoning and making several tests with different voltage batteries, including rechargeable 9.6v, I realized that there might be a product sensitive to the "changing batteries" so that by changing the number of Dwell experiments, which brings manufacturing is 65ms for CO2, it takes more than 90ms without obtaining a acceptable solution.

Therefore I gathered that the problem was in the solenoid, hard to believe in a But this is new product. This is because after a while of use the piece surrounding the coil is released, so you have axial play, limiting the travel of randomly in the frame, requiring more voltage to operate the solenoid, as armature to move the two sides instead of one, as sometimes the piece by gravity rests on the armor.

This is due to an excessive clearance between the core of the coil and the metal piece, well-designed product but poorly constructed.

Solution
The solution is to fill with Loctite (Liquid Steel), the existing gap, to eliminate axial play and allow the frame to move within the path that designers stipulated. This operation is quite delicate and must be completely removed from the body coil Plastic not recommend it unless you have some mechanical ability.

After the repair, the marker works flawless, with a Dwell of 30ms and a old battery with a 8.2v voltage is half of what it produces and brings with a nearly depleted battery (It is over with 8v) which was impossible to do because of their failure to produce.

What causes me angry is that this failure must be aware of Smartparts, but rather to solve the problem of working to make excuses and lie deliberately staying demonstrated. I have also read that the SP1 consume batteries faster, possibly due to the above. If your works SP1 randomly or you are short the batteries, the most likely to have loose metal piece. Do not always believe everything you read or be told, as many times manufacturers hide the truth.


Obviously the translator has issues with grammar but you get the general idea.
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Old 01-01-2009, 04:26 PM #6
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Lo siento mi español no es la gramática que bien. Pero aquí está.Asombrar y totalmente verdadero. Usted es tan corrige cada vez alguien dice su son una "¿Baterías?" de problema Usted es absolutamente correcto. Yo no diría que cualquier otra manera. Fantástico. La fabricación del fusil es muy pobre. Por ejemplo en mi fusil. Los tornillos que tienen mi tabla fueron pelados hacia abajo cuando yo primero los giré. Una elección muy pobre de metal para los tornillos. Y el solenoide cuando yo me quité mi tabla lo acaba de sentir aparte en mí. Gracias por escribir este es muy verdad. Eres tan Smart Parts derecho está claramente tratando de ocultar el hecho de que todos no sólo la SP-1 y Vibe están mal fabricados, pero todos sus productos. Por cierto me gusta tu nombre de PBnation.

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Amazing and totally true. You are so correct every time someone says their is a problem "Batteries?" You are absolutely correct. I would not say that any other way. Fantastic. The manufacturing of the gun is very poor. For instance on my gun. The screws that hold my board down were stripped when i first turned them. A very poor choice of metal for the screws. And the solenoid when i took my board off it just felt apart on me. Thank you for writing this it is very true.You are so right Smart Parts is clearly trying to hide that fact that all not just the SP-1 and Vibe are poorly manufactured but all of their products.
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Old 01-01-2009, 04:37 PM #7
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If you don't have time to translate, why would you post?

This is an english message board, and while there may be a few members than can read what I think is Spanish, I'm sure that most can not.

Wow are you that ignorant to other people. You know what my parents say if you don't have anything nice to say do not say anything at all. Why don't you go and take your poor lazy ignorant but off your computer and go take some Spanish classes.
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Old 01-01-2009, 05:10 PM #9
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Wow are you that ignorant to other people. You know what my parents say if you don't have anything nice to say do not say anything at all. Why don't you go and take your poor lazy ignorant but off your computer and go take some Spanish classes.

Wow, I can't believe your responce to this.

I've replied to your PM, in an effort to keep any flaming off the open forums.

I will say this however...

I will stand by what I said in this thread and the PM, this is an english speaking website, and would expect to not need to open an online translator or other form of translation. When I come to an english speaking website I expect to read english, if or when I want to read another language I will go a site that speaks that language or primarily that language, and would take it upon myself to translate into the primary language of that message board.

FWIW, I have started to learn several languages and can loosely understand some, so instead of assuming that I'm just to lazy to understand, think about what the primary language of this site is, and understand that it's better to post in that language than some foreign language that only a small population would understand (unless there is a specific forum for that, like on a couple sites I do visit).

It's hard enough trying to learn the Paint Ball slang, and then to need to try and translate it from a foriegn language, just makes it that much more difficult.
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Since when did Smart Parts start manufacturing electronic components ? Also, sometimes solenoids,capacitors, transistors etc come from the factory bad, so you cant blame Smart Parts for every little thing. Also, did the origional poster cintact SP for help or warranty work ? Or decide to jump on the SP Haters Bandwagon ?

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For instance on my gun. The screws that hold my board down were stripped when i first turned them. A very poor choice of metal for the screws. And the solenoid when i took my board off it just felt apart on me. Thank you for writing this it is very true.You are so right Smart Parts is clearly trying to hide that fact that all not just the SP-1 and Vibe are poorly manufactured but all of their products.
What do you expect for a gun less then 200.00 ? Also, I shoot both an Ion and a SP-1 and none of my screws are stripped, yet I have stripped screws on guns costing more money then both of these. Stripped screws are 99.99% user error so I hardly doubt that was SP's fault.

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Since when did Smart Parts start manufacturing electronic components ? Also, sometimes solenoids,capacitors, transistors etc come from the factory bad, so you cant blame Smart Parts for every little thing. Also, did the origional poster cintact SP for help or warranty work ? Or decide to jump on the SP Haters Bandwagon ?



What do you expect for a gun less then 200.00 ? Also, I shoot both an Ion and a SP-1 and none of my screws are stripped, yet I have stripped screws on guns costing more money then both of these. Stripped screws are 99.99% user error so I hardly doubt that was SP's fault.
Yea ok you stripped screws the first time you unscrewed a gun! FIRST TIME!
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OMG I JUST READ MY SP-1 IS MADE OUT OF PLASTIC GUYz IS THIS TRUE?

I have no idea what this guy is talking about or what his background is.
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OMG I JUST READ MY SP-1 IS MADE OUT OF PLASTIC GUYz IS THIS TRUE?

I have no idea what this guy is talking about or what his background is.
WTF haxz0rz?

Say it ain't trooth!

Yeah, amazing an inexpensive marker, just might have some parts that could use some improvement, who'd a thunk it?

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Yea ok you stripped screws the first time you unscrewed a gun! FIRST TIME!
Yes, I stripped a feedneck screw due to turning it the wrong way, it was a metal screw in an aftermarket feedneck Pro Team Products for a Pro Am. Allen head screw actually broke off, so yes, it happens. But I didn't cry about it, I fixed and moved on.

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I will stand by what I said in this thread and the PM, this is an english speaking website, and would expect to not need to open an online translator or other form of translation. When I come to an english speaking website I expect to read english, if or when I want to read another language I will go a site that speaks that language or primarily that language, and would take it upon myself to translate into the primary language of that message board.
I completely agree. The wonderful thing about this website is we don't have to press "one" for English.

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this is what exactly is going on with the vibe I just picked up.
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I don't get it the Tippmann 98 custom is better then this!
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The screw on your board towards the back might be overtightened.
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I don't get it the Tippmann 98 custom is better then this!
Then maybe you should hang out in the Tippman forums?

We like our SP-1 markers, we will modify, repair and discuss the SP-1 in this forum, not post vs threads.
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