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Old 12-11-2008, 12:36 PM #211
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Old 12-11-2008, 12:40 PM #212
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Then what is the difference between saying that and saying you are a good player?
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Old 12-11-2008, 12:41 PM #213
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Old 12-11-2008, 12:54 PM #214
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Would you say that these two sentence deliver the same message:

You are a good person.

You are good at being a person.
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No.
we seem to agree on more than cheese.

Laureate: the context is different as I mentioned as well. one seems to indicate being skilled at something or perhaps talented, or natural abilities. the other seems to indicate a sense of a moral perception.
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Old 12-11-2008, 12:58 PM #215
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Maybe I am saying this wrong. What I am saying is that the word person (in context) denotes the morals, not the word good. That when we say person, speak of a person, when we describe them, we are describing their morals. Person is a representation of morals.
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:19 PM #216
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Maybe I am saying this wrong. What I am saying is that the word person (in context) denotes the morals, not the word good. That when we say person, speak of a person, when we describe them, we are describing their morals. Person is a representation of morals.
that's good.

that's not what you posted though.
a good person may indicate a skill or talent, or moral, or ethical, or philosophical or other reference depending on context.
a person that is a good player, has context of skill/talent, etc, and not of moral or ethical reference.
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a good person may indicate a skill or talent, or moral, or ethical, or philosophical or other reference depending on context.


a person that is a good player, has context of skill/talent, etc, and not of moral or ethical reference.
I don't understand your first point. If someone was good at football and you were talking about them, in the context of their ability, you would not say they are a good person. You would say there are a good player.

Your second point proves my point. If you are using "good" to modify "player", then yes, you would be speaking in reference to their skill.

But when "good" modifies a person, it speaks of their morals. Meaning that "person" is a reflection of morals.
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:35 PM #218
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I don't understand your first point. If someone was good at football and you were talking about them, in the context of their ability, you would not say they are a good person. You would say there are a good player.
you seem to be assuming that I would speak or write like you would.
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But when "good" modifies a person, it speaks of their morals. Meaning that "person" is a reflection of morals.
no, but I suppose semantics. go see the what is your definition of religion thread for more of the same.
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:42 PM #219
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you seem to be assuming that I would speak or write like you would.

no, but I suppose semantics. go see the what is your definition of religion thread for more of the same.
First point. Ok, even if you said "he is a good person to have on your team" you are referring the skill that makes him a teammate. If you are referring to his skill.

If you say "he is a good person" it has to be inferred that you are speaking of their morals.

Good does not change meaning, context does.
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Sorry to jump in.
It seems the definition application first needs to be established, in order to understand your basis:

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  • having desirable or positive qualities especially those suitable for a thing specified; "good news from the hospital"; "a good report card"; "when ...
  • full: having the normally expected amount; "gives full measure"; "gives good measure"; "a good mile from here"
  • morally admirable
  • estimable: deserving of esteem and respect; "all respectable companies give guarantees"; "ruined the family's good name"
  • beneficial: promoting or enhancing well-being; "an arms limitation agreement beneficial to all countries"; "the beneficial effects of a temperate climate"; "the experience was good for her"
  • agreeable or pleasing; "we all had a good time"; "good manners"
  • of moral excellence; "a genuinely good person"; "a just cause"; "an upright and respectable man"
  • adept: having or showing knowledge and skill and aptitude; "adept in handicrafts"; "an adept juggler"; "an expert job"; "a good mechanic"; "a practiced marksman"; "a proficient engineer"; "a lesser-known but no less skillful composer"; "the effect was achieved by skillful retouching"
  • thorough; "had a good workout"; "gave the house a good cleaning"
  • dear: with or in a close or intimate relationship; "a good friend"; "my sisters and brothers are near and dear"
  • dependable: financially sound; "a good investment"; "a secure investment"
  • most suitable or right for a particular purpose; "a good time to plant tomatoes"; "the right time to act"; "the time is ripe for great sociological changes"
  • resulting favorably; "it's a good thing that I wasn't there"; "it is good that you stayed"; "it is well that no one saw you"; "all's well that ends well"
  • effective: exerting force or influence; "the law is effective immediately"; "a warranty good for two years"; "the law is already in effect (or in force)"
  • capable of pleasing; "good looks"
  • appealing to the mind; "good music"; "a serious book"
  • in excellent physical condition; "good teeth"; "I still have one good leg"; "a sound mind in a sound body"
  • tending to promote physical well-being; beneficial to health; "beneficial effects of a balanced diet"; "a good night's sleep"; "the salutary influence of pure air"
  • benefit; "for your own good"; "what's the good of worrying?"
  • not forged; "a good dollar bill"
  • moral excellence or admirableness; "there is much good to be found in people"
  • well: (often used as a combining form) in a good or proper or satisfactory manner or to a high standard (`good' is a nonstandard dialectal variant for `well'); "the children behaved well"; "a task well done"; "the party went well"; "he slept well"; "a well-argued thesis"; "a well-seasoned dish ...
  • that which is pleasing or valuable or useful; "weigh the good against the bad"; "among the highest goods of all are happiness and self-realization"
  • not left to spoil; "the meat is still good"
  • thoroughly: completely and absolutely (`good' is sometimes used informally for `thoroughly'); "he was soundly defeated"; "we beat him good"
  • generally admired; "good taste"
  • commodity: articles of commerce
So, I'd say context and application change the definition.
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:50 PM #221
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Ok, this got convoluted. You need to stick with one example. When you start going from one to the next, the point gets lost and no one knows what you're talking about.

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Would you say that these two sentence deliver the same message:

You are a good person.

You are good at being a person.
Well, I WAS going to write something profound but then I read MM's post and, well, he's proved you profoundly wrong. /discussion
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unless of course, you are using "person" to mean a specific set of qualities that allow us to identify something as human, in which case, exemplifying such qualities would make you a "good" person.
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everyone, stfu and take it to a different thread..

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everyone, stfu and take it to a different thread..

my skin eyes hurt because there're more CK people in here than there are of us STA..
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there's one ck person on this whole page.
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Actually 3 (counting you IoNxRoCkEr since I haven't taken your name down yet. ).

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your page must be a little longer than mine. I think it's only 30 posts here at work.
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Keep in mind I was in North East Houston..

the back of my car after about 30 min.

The Fire Chief's response vehicle. There was a lot more snow on the other side, I just couldn't get a good picture of it

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The little snowman for my car. That's Chris, one of the Duty firemen in the background.

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Old 12-11-2008, 02:20 PM #229
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So if good means more than one thing, than why are people look for the "objective good"?

The way you guys are proving me wrong just pushes my point.
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Dude, get the **** out of here. Take it to a different thread or I'm going to start reporting for trolling.
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Dude, get the **** out of here. Take it to a different thread or I'm going to start reporting for trolling.
report me. i am not too concerned about it.
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