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Old 11-15-2008, 12:58 PM #1
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marqs on paint

how are they on paint?
i hear they chop alot


and are they all around reliable and made with strict tolerances?
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Old 11-15-2008, 01:27 PM #2
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mine never chops, but it does break a lot of paint in the barrel, and i am running at lpr-75 hpr-225 and dwell-6 ms
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Old 11-15-2008, 04:26 PM #3
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guns with eyes that work don't chop.
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Old 11-15-2008, 04:43 PM #4
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8cases an no chops or barrel breaks....

but im over boring my barrels

bought 8 cases of brown box 2mths ago from a store that was going out of buisness. Who knows how long the guy had the paint before i bought it but i just shot the last case last sunday and i didnt have any problems. I did try shooting a halo full of paint threw my Angel 1 which is supposed to have KISS technolgy and shoots FROZEN paint but it but i broke around 8-10 balls in the barrel...

So i would like to say it depends on the user..
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Old 11-15-2008, 04:47 PM #5
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I've never chopped a ball in either of mine, had a couple of barrel breaks but I always underbore with my Deadlywind kit. Thats with about 20 cases also.
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Old 11-15-2008, 04:49 PM #6
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I've never chopped a ball in either of mine, had a couple of barrel breaks but I always underbore with my Deadlywind kit. Thats with about 20 cases also.
If you underbore (barrel smaller than paint) you will break just about every ball.
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Old 11-15-2008, 04:59 PM #7
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If you underbore (barrel smaller than paint) you will break just about every ball.
not really because every barrel is over bored past a point...

On the freak its the bore size until after it leaves the sleeve once it leaves the sleeve its a larger size, just like the ul is bored one size then half way down it changes...

and yes i have taken my digital mic's and checked this for myself... i can check it again and post them but i dont feel like it..
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Old 11-15-2008, 05:09 PM #8
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i've taken my tesa 3-anvil bore mics to many-a-freak insert and never had it measure anywhere near what's printed on it.
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Old 11-15-2008, 05:12 PM #9
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If you underbore (barrel smaller than paint) you will break just about every ball.
lol, no it won't. It gets better consistency and efficiency, go find CockerPunk he did a big research thing on it.
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Freak bores are among the most inaccurate as far as what is stamped.
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Old 11-15-2008, 05:15 PM #11
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lol, no it won't. It gets better consistency and efficiency, go find CockerPunk he did a big research thing on it.
That's if you match it or get a tight fit. If your barrel is a .682 & you are shooting .692 paint you'll constantly be busting balls in the barrel.
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Old 11-15-2008, 05:31 PM #12
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That's if you match it or get a tight fit. If your barrel is a .682 & you are shooting .692 paint you'll constantly be busting balls in the barrel.
not true... i had a kid show up to our field and for at least an hr he couldnt get his gun to chrono under 350, so finally i took the gun from him and check everything from LPR to HPR to DWELL... no matter how low i went on all of them it wouldnt go under 350 finally i took out my paint mate from APS and found his paint to be around 690... his barrel was a 684 which is why it wouldnt shoot under 350 after i threw my 692 ul on there it worked fine... but even with the stock barrel he had on there he never broke any paint in the barrel.. so i dont think that undersize makes paint break in the barrel theory is very true...
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Old 11-15-2008, 10:57 PM #13
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i've actually had balls get stuck in my barrel from underboring, and none broke from that entire case. they flex.
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:27 PM #14
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Obviously I'm not shooting .692 paint through a .682 bore. I'm talking a couple bores under. For .690 paint I would use .684 or maybe a .687. They dont break because they flex and all the pressure is on the circumference of the ball.
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:59 PM #15
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not true... i had a kid show up to our field and for at least an hr he couldnt get his gun to chrono under 350, so finally i took the gun from him and check everything from LPR to HPR to DWELL... no matter how low i went on all of them it wouldnt go under 350 finally i took out my paint mate from APS and found his paint to be around 690... his barrel was a 684 which is why it wouldnt shoot under 350 after i threw my 692 ul on there it worked fine... but even with the stock barrel he had on there he never broke any paint in the barrel.. so i dont think that undersize makes paint break in the barrel theory is very true...
So winding down the HPR had no effect, but a barrel change did? ok.
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Old 11-16-2008, 12:59 AM #16
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I shot some proto paint thats proably 8 months old today on my marq and never had one chop and only broken one ball in my barrel and it wasnt until the very end of the barrel.

I used a macdev matchstick barrel kit.
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:54 AM #17
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I'm play with the marbel and i used a UL barrel(688) and i broken some balls in the barrel.
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I've put in proficiency kit in my rapper. Why i'm broken balls in my barrel.Just another question:
With the proficinecy kit,how many balls you can fire with a 68ci/4500 psi.Sorry for my english,i'm from Tahiti(french polynesia).
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Old 11-16-2008, 01:24 PM #18
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nine time out of ten, a barrel break is just bad paint. also, if your hopper happens to crush a ball in the stack, even if your gun manages to shoot it, it won't make it past the barrel. your settings all look good.
the proficiency engine is getting over 1700 shots to a 68/4500 fill. that's the low end.
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Old 11-16-2008, 01:50 PM #19
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ok thanks a lot.
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:50 PM #20
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ive never chopped a ball in my marq, and if the paint is breaking in the barrel you have bad paint or the wrong size barrel
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Old 11-16-2008, 03:12 PM #21
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i hear they chop alot
I have never, ever had a chop with my Darq. I don't know anybody with a Marq that has had any chopping problems as long as they actually maintain their gun and their eyes are working.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say whoever told you they chop alot 1) has no clue what the hell they are talking about and shouldn't speak. ever. or 2) is an extremely biased fanboy who sweats PE, Dye, or SP nuts on a regular basis and shouldn't speak also.

Any gun out there with ACE will not chop, even SP guns, as long as the eyes are working and they maintain their equipment. period. Badmouthing a brand of gun by lying about chops is retarded and should result in a massive beatdown.
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