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Old 11-15-2008, 10:22 AM #43
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Ah, nothing but the best I see. I bet you forgot to tell us about the vital step that involves crushed narwhal horn.
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Old 11-15-2008, 04:15 PM #44
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Any chance you'd let us at least know what the coating is?

I always thought it looked like some sort of interference pattern, which doesnt make too much sense given that it should be durable enough for paintball.

Can you also specify what type of whale blubber? Orca? Humpback?
There are a few differnet chemicals that could be used, but they are all titanium based.

Oh and it is sperm whale
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Titanium? So its like some sort of deposition of titanium+somehow getting uneven oxidation (i.e. titanium anodizing.)

Whats the process called, it'd be fun to read up on.

And when cutstep says narwhal, I believe him.
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Titanium? So its like some sort of deposition of titanium+somehow getting uneven oxidation (i.e. titanium anodizing.)

Whats the process called, it'd be fun to read up on.

And when cutstep says narwhal, I believe him.
The last thing I will say is that it is not an anodizing of titanium. It is a process that is very different, require much more expensive equipment and is not as easy as anodizing.

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oilslick is a vinyl wrap i believe
Though i have not seen an oil slick up close. I do know of a chemical process that is somewhat similar to anodizing that can give that look. As in it looks similar to aurora but has an overall darker color. It is done with the chemical deposition of a Titanium compund onto the surface in solution and then oxidizing titanium. Chemical deposition of titanium is not very easy to do because of the chemical properties of Ti.
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And I guess youre right, it would be hard to do if you were the first one doing it. PB guns would be pretty hard. But if you had a standard thing of metal it wouldnt be terribly difficult to coat it. But to do it so it looks nice and is the right thickness might be difficult. I really dont know too much about the ins and outs of applying the process, but I understand the process and how one would theoretically do it, as well as what machinery I could procure, but I doubt I would be able to get it on the 1st try or anything.

Cutstep, I've been wondering, do you use a Ni coat under? Or just the straight mystery aurora process.
Oh, nevermind, I just read your "Cant say anything nurr" post. So yeah. I mean, if you PM me, I wont tell

And anodizing Ti is fun. Pretty colors without dye!
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And I guess youre right, it would be hard to do if you were the first one doing it. PB guns would be pretty hard. But if you had a standard thing of metal it wouldnt be terribly difficult to coat it. But to do it so it looks nice and is the right thickness might be difficult. I really dont know too much about the ins and outs of applying the process, but I understand the process and how one would theoretically do it, as well as what machinery I could procure, but I doubt I would be able to get it on the 1st try or anything.

Cutstep, I've been wondering, do you use a Ni coat under? Or just the straight mystery aurora process.
Oh, nevermind, I just read your "Cant say anything nurr" post. So yeah. I mean, if you PM me, I wont tell

And anodizing Ti is fun. Pretty colors without dye!
The process does not depend on the shape, size or detail of milling of the part being coated. So in theroy it is just as easy to do a small flat piece of metal as it would be to do an enitre gun. I don't think you understand what these reactors, component wise, consist of. I know for a fact that one of the pumps that is normally used you Might be able to buy used for $10,000 if you can find one that doesn't require at least $10,000 more worth of parts to fix it.

I will go out on a limb and say that no one in the paintball industry and especially no one on these boards will ever own/run an instrument capable of doing Aruora. Anyone who does it will out source it to a company that already has the correct instrumental setup.
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Really? See, I was thinking that you would get uneven deposition on curves. Maybe I was just wrong...
I guess it does deposit on the molecular level, but I guess I was wrong. I was thinking that on any sort of cut like >, you would get an odd/different deposit thickness than on a flat vertical or horizontal surface.
Then again, maybe it was me just being silly. Also, I was more interested in finding out how sputtering worked...so that might be why.
I was actually looking into something else, then realized that this could be how aurora was done....and figured it out. Well, generally figured it out. With time and lots of money, I could figure it out. So please excuse, and correct my misconceptions.

No, I know how much it costs, and I am not interested AT ALL in doing it. I just was curious and began looking more and more into it.
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Really? See, I was thinking that you would get uneven deposition on curves. Maybe I was just wrong...
I guess it does deposit on the molecular level, but I guess I was wrong. I was thinking that on any sort of cut like >, you would get an odd/different deposit thickness than on a flat vertical or horizontal surface.
Then again, maybe it was me just being silly. Also, I was more interested in finding out how sputtering worked...so that might be why.
I was actually looking into something else, then realized that this could be how aurora was done....and figured it out. Well, generally figured it out. With time and lots of money, I could figure it out. So please excuse, and correct my misconceptions.

No, I know how much it costs, and I am not interested AT ALL in doing it. I just was curious and began looking more and more into it.

You are correct in the fact that you get uneven "layers" but that is what you want. That is what makes the differnet pretty colors. i don't know if layers is the best word either, let say diffenerent deposition density. The instrument is set up to to allow a variable deposition of Ti onto the surface, that is one of the reasons no 2 arouras are the same. The thing is, the machines can be set up to give a very even controled density on the surface aswell, imagine the aroura look but with only one color, like gold or the blue or green over the entire gun.
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Well I have a good idea about the sort of pump your talking about, and I would imagine that its probably easier to get a more even coating than it is to create the aroura effect, I'm curious as to how thats done, but that is probably the most secret content out there.

What I am actually curious about is, if its not oxidized through ano, what do you need to do. Pure ti clearly needs to react with something to change color.

I really have no interest in stealing the process, but I am curious, as with xsn0man.
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You are correct in the fact that you get uneven "layers" but that is what you want. That is what makes the differnet pretty colors. i don't know if layers is the best word either, let say diffenerent deposition density. The instrument is set up to to allow a variable deposition of Ti onto the surface, that is one of the reasons no 2 arouras are the same. The thing is, the machines can be set up to give a very even controled density on the surface aswell, imagine the aroura look but with only one color, like gold or the blue or green over the entire gun.
Hmm, see I figured when it was solid colors it was just really thick, and it needed to be a certain thickness to get an aurora effect. Your explanation makes much more sense.
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Well I have a good idea about the sort of pump your talking about, and I would imagine that its probably easier to get a more even coating than it is to create the aroura effect, I'm curious as to how thats done, but that is probably the most secret content out there.

What I am actually curious about is, if its not oxidized through ano, what do you need to do. Pure ti clearly needs to react with something to change color.

I really have no interest in stealing the process, but I am curious, as with xsn0man.
'Cause its not pure Ti.
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actually, now that I think about it, it very well could be pure Ti. If its not then thats out of concerns for durability, not color. I wish I knew more about this sort of deposition, but thats what college is for, right .

Cutstep or step child, any way you could confirm my suspicions through pm, and possibly disclose what compound it is that resides on the surfaces of those guns?
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Well, its not Ti to start. Whats deposited well could be pure Ti, but I am 98% sure it is not. Molecular compounds often dont dissociate with just sublimation or ablation.
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I am guessing that the uneven deposition occurs because of the geometry of a baffle used inside the reactor. It seems like the baffle that would get an even coating would be more difficult than what you would need to make the flow more chaotic.
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See I was thinking that one of the whole positives of using vapor deposition was the ability to easily get a relatively smooth molecular coating because of the way charged particles align and grow...
I guess not?
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I am not the one doing Aurora, so you might be right. :shrug:
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