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Old 01-27-2010, 01:24 AM #22
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I'm not sure if you are referring to the Piranha G2 (I really hope not) or the DP G3, but either way, no, they aren't the same. There are some similarities to the G3 in so much as both use a simplified spool valve mechanism, but beyond that there are lots of differences.
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:40 PM #23
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I think he meant the GR-2, which is a replacement kit for the Geo and includes an HPR piston, prop shaft, and grip/eye cover screws.

BTW, I think this thread could use some clean up and a LOCK.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:25 PM #24
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I cant seem to get my macroline elbow off my geo to swap my colors with someone else. I tried really hard with pliers and it wont comes off.Any suggestions?
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Proper sized wrench might work, but they are on very tight. If all else failes, use a table vice, and then turn the reg for leverage. You may cosmetically damage the fitting, so pick up another one if you want to keep it looking mint. You will need to use some type of sealing agent when you re-install the fitting. Blue loctite is what I use.
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Old 02-11-2010, 01:31 PM #26
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Hey guys...

I have some question about some settings and since this is the official tech thread I thought I'd post and ask here.

First question is:
What is the best dwell and other board settings using GST?this caring more about smoothness and performance and caring less about efficiency (but not 100% - 0%, more of 70,80% performance and 30,20% efficiency) since I have access to air whenever I want...

Second question is:
The valve chamber...what about setting it the same as above?
I mean I wanna find the best compromise between performance and efficency...

Third question:
to lube or not to lube the front bolt oring???seems like a dumb question but some say to lube some others not...

Owwww Fourth question:
don't fool me but even if instructions say to use it only with reballs I've seen some people using the volume restrictor also with normal paints...what you think about?better, worse, ****ty thing to do???

other nice setting or somethign I should care or try out since on saturday I'll go practicing???

Let me know and thanks alot!!!!
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Old 02-11-2010, 02:16 PM #27
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Best dwell for GST is 2.0 more than you were using with your stock kit. For most people this is 14.0 or 14.5. You can tune it down lower after it's worn in. valve chamber screw all the way out. That should give you the smoothest shot with still good efficiency. Other than proper lube and maintenance that covers it for getting the smoothest shot.

Watch the official video in this thread for lubing. Do not lube the front bolt o-ring. For one thing that will spray that lube on your paint and down your barrel over time.

Volume restrictors are to lower your velocity by about 25fps each (50 fps bfor both). Use them when you want to go to 250 fps or below (which will be reball, night games, indoor paint, etc.) If you don't NEED to use them to lower the velocity then I wouldn't simply because you'll need to take them back out eventually.
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Old 02-11-2010, 02:41 PM #28
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Best dwell for GST is 2.0 more than you were using with your stock kit. For most people this is 14.0 or 14.5. You can tune it down lower after it's worn in. valve chamber screw all the way out. That should give you the smoothest shot with still good efficiency. Other than proper lube and maintenance that covers it for getting the smoothest shot.

Watch the official video in this thread for lubing. Do not lube the front bolt o-ring. For one thing that will spray that lube on your paint and down your barrel over time.

Volume restrictors are to lower your velocity by about 25fps each (50 fps bfor both). Use them when you want to go to 250 fps or below (which will be reball, night games, indoor paint, etc.) If you don't NEED to use them to lower the velocity then I wouldn't simply because you'll need to take them back out eventually.
Yep for lubing I usually lube my geo everytime I use it since I'm a freak for my guns and actually care a loooot about them...I've never lubed the front oring since I used the jack wood maintenance video as reference.

But what would be the "numerical" efficiency difference from VVC all the way and all the way out? I mean how much pballs you shoot in the different "modes"?
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Old 02-17-2010, 12:19 PM #29
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the milion dollar question:

what is the volume of air that goes inside the regulator and what's the output volume?
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Old 02-17-2010, 03:13 PM #30
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Do you actually mean volume, or do you mean pressure?
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Old 02-17-2010, 03:18 PM #31
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I mean volume of air...the pressure is known but what about the volume???
is there any data sheet about the volumes?
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Old 02-17-2010, 05:14 PM #32
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Jack would probably know.
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Old 02-27-2010, 09:09 PM #33
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Hey nicky or anyone, i have seen multiple threads on people having velocity problems and i was wondering what was the verdict, as I too am only able to reach a velocity of 275-285ish with the hpr all out, *on 3 geo's now.
1. good battery
2. proper lube bolt and hpr
3. appropriate solenoid ball thing
4. paint quality
5. clean solenoid filter
but having covered all of these bases i still have to back out the hpr reg screw all the way to reach 275-285 velocity. Is this the normal or can this be fixed?
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Old 02-28-2010, 07:07 PM #34
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Have you cleaned that back check ball and checked it for damage?
Is the pin hole on your can tiny, or can you clearly see a drilled hole?
Are you using an HP output air system?
Are you shooting very small paint?
Is your dwell set correctly?
Are you getting excessive blowback up the feed neck?
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Old 03-02-2010, 12:27 AM #35
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Have you cleaned that back check ball and checked it for damage? yes sir, and it appears intact and well.
Is the pin hole on your can tiny, or can you clearly see a drilled hole?yes sir, and it appears correct.
Are you using an HP output air system?ANS 68/4500 with cp HP reg
Are you shooting very small paint? Yes its smaller than 0.693 (stock barrel)
Is your dwell set correctly? 14.5 with GST
Are you getting excessive blowback up the feed neck?not really
maybe thats just how they shoot, shoots well, but i have a hard time getting past 285, but the cool/cold weather may have some influence.
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Old 03-20-2010, 11:26 PM #36
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Hey everyone, just bought a NEW geo...comes with gr-2 and uninstalled gst....What would be the best settings for the new gst once installed and things like that? Lmk
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Old 03-21-2010, 05:58 AM #37
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The instructions included with the ST Kit suggest increasing your dwell 2ms over that of the stock bolt kit.

This is because the ST kit moves the bolt more slowly, so more of your dwell time is being used to move the bolt, and less is used to release air. If you diodn't increase your dwell setting to compensate, less air would be released, and your velocity would drop.

So, if you are using the stock dwell setting of 12.5ms with the stock bolt kit, that would mean using a dwell setting of 14.5ms with the ST Kit.
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:12 AM #38
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Thanks a bunch, is there anything else i should do once i recieve this geo? Other than install the st kit, up my dwell to 14.5 and chrono it to 300? Im thinking wait 10 cases for break in time..
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:20 AM #39
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Other than that, make sure that you are using an HP output air system, and you should be good to go.
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:24 AM #40
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Ok great! Thanks alot, im using a v1 myth reg so my output pressure is midrange....So i massuming it will work great
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Old 08-15-2010, 02:37 AM #41
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hi guys. I just got a geo and it is super loud. I think it has the GR-2, but im not even really sure what that is or what it does. This is my first Geo.

1) what should my dwell be set at?
2) Are geo's consistent over the chrono?
3) how do i quiet my geo down?
3) I need to get the soft touch bolt kit. Where can I get a good deal?
4) do i have gr-2?

Thanks for the help people! I will go through and actually read the thread soon, just dont have right now..
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Old 08-15-2010, 07:08 AM #42
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Stock dwell is 12.5ms

There is absolutely no reason that a Geo shouldn't be consistent over the chrono. Any inconsistency could be down to a low battery, low dwell, poor servicing (assuming it is used), poor paint quality etc. If it isn't consistent, there's a reason why it isn't.

A longer barrel with more porting could assist. Having a single bore barrel rather than a stepped bore can help. Good paint to barrel fit. As far as the marker itself is concerned, tuning can make a difference. I would suggest backing out the VVC screw and increasing dwell by 2ms. Then chrono your marker. Your operating pressure should be lower for any given velocity, so that will help dampen the sound a little. I would then dwell tune to find the lowest dwell setting that gives you the same velocity, without effecting consistency. During dwell tuning, you should *only* adjust the dwell - don't touch the VVC or the pressure adjuster on the reg.

http://www.google.com/products?q=pla...eo+st+kit&aq=f

$79 is pretty much the standard price for the ST kit.

Your marker has the G-R2 update if your screws have blue nyloc patches applied, if the Propshaft has two rings milled around the front section, and if the seal on the tip of the regulators piston neck has a brass lined hole in the middle. If you have a hole, but it isn't brass lined, then it isn't the G-R2 piston.
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