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Old 10-13-2008, 06:18 PM #22
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If you don't go through an ROTC program in college, you can...

A.) Go to O.C.S
B.) Enlist as an E-4
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:29 PM #23
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Its silly how they will give a promotion to E4.. you won't get any respect from it initially, and it would still take you just as long to make E5 because of the TIS requirement. I see the main advantage of a degree as helping you later on when you get out to get a decent job. The way I look at it, if you are going to enlist then go to college after, since then the VA will pay for it. That's what I'm doing and it is a pretty decent deal. If I want to go OCS after I get my degree, then I can do that without having gone out of pocket for anything.
I think its pretty stupid to spend your own money to go to school for the Army.. unless your parents are daddy warbucks or something

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Old 10-13-2008, 06:42 PM #24
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maybe he just couldent cut it?

juse because he was a cadet and you and him thought he was very HOOAH dosent mean he was fit to be an officer.

anyone who can read can go and sign a contract. not everyone can be an officer.
ahahaha. LOL.
Wait are you being sarcastic or serious?
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:53 PM #25
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im not aware, i think you can. i know one of my friends is an LTC hes a tabbed ranger and served with 5th SF. he told me he was in the army for a while thewn left went to BC (boston college) then went back in and did all his SF and ranger ****. so i guess you can
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:54 PM #26
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ahahaha. LOL.
Wait are you being sarcastic or serious?
i was being serious.

i mean im sure some stupid people have become officers. but its way easier to just go and sign up
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:58 PM #27
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Yeah, I was just saying. . . If you knew him you would maybe be able to see it the way I did, but whatever I'm not going to change your mind, it was just a little advice.

And enlisting isn't taking the easy way out, it's not simply signing a piece of paper.
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Old 10-14-2008, 02:06 PM #28
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there is only 1 man on this board that can accurately answer this and he is most likely out doing some high speed crap right now. He's a Ssgt and knows his stuff from the SF side of things in the Army, I'm sure when he gets on again he'll be of some help.
Yep,

I know who you are talking about and he is THE source as he IS SF, time now.

I am an Army Officer (Major), Infantry for 12 years. I can speak to the officer path in SF, not much more.

Basically, Special Forces Assessment and Selection (SFAS) is no different from enlisted to officer, they all go to the same school, are put into teams, and are put through three weeks of hell to assess their ability to handle extreme physical conditioning, problem-solving, teamwork, leadership etc. Even if a guy makes it through without getting injured and pass all events, the evaluators still assess a guy on the "whole man" concept. They are looking for a certain demeanor, professionalism, and apptitude to do well within the Special Ops community.

That said, a guy can get selected in SFAS and still wash out in the Qualification, or "Q" course. The "Q" course is quite a bit longer and is focused on special skills aligned with the MOS your are going for. All Officers go to the 18A Qualification Course. The course is designed to prepare Officers to become ODA Team leaders.

So whoever said a Special Forces Officer is doing nothing but managerial stuff is off-base. You may not be the Sniper guy, or the Medic Guy, or the Demolitions Guy, but you are a Team Leader that synchronizes the team's specialties, Joint Firepower (Airforce, Navy etc), and work with the locals to achieve National Strategic Objectives. Pretty powerful stuff. And SF Officers are right on the ground with the team doing it. It is after commanding an ODA that officers start bouncing back and force between staff and command assignments.

So, to wrap it up, and answer the original question. You decide. If you have your heart set on SF and becoming an officer, great. Pick a branch that you like (it really does not matter to SF), do well at it. What you can do NOW: Get or stay in top physical condition, and develop some problem-solving skills/critical reasoning skills. When you are a First Lieutenant or complete with your Platoon Leader time, start talking with the SF Recruiters.

I would focus on that over any type of class in artillery or cold-weather training. The Army (and SF for that matter) will provide that free of charge and it will be hands-on, field oriented as opposed to theory in the classroom or something general.

Hope that helped. I had looked at the SF (and Ranger Regiment) routes during my younger years and decided to stay conventional. I have had some good friends in the SF as well, so my info above is probably pretty close, though may be outdated. The suggestions in bold are timeless and apply no matter what path you choose as an officer.

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Old 10-14-2008, 03:46 PM #29
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The bold applies to enlisted grunts too. Ranger Batt is my long-term goal.
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:24 PM #31
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Old 10-15-2008, 07:01 PM #32
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Yep,

I know who you are talking about and he is THE source as he IS SF, time now.

I am an Army Officer (Major), Infantry for 12 years. I can speak to the officer path in SF, not much more.

Basically, Special Forces Assessment and Selection (SFAS) is no different from enlisted to officer, they all go to the same school, are put into teams, and are put through three weeks of hell to assess their ability to handle extreme physical conditioning, problem-solving, teamwork, leadership etc. Even if a guy makes it through without getting injured and pass all events, the evaluators still assess a guy on the "whole man" concept. They are looking for a certain demeanor, professionalism, and apptitude to do well within the Special Ops community.

That said, a guy can get selected in SFAS and still wash out in the Qualification, or "Q" course. The "Q" course is quite a bit longer and is focused on special skills aligned with the MOS your are going for. All Officers go to the 18A Qualification Course. The course is designed to prepare Officers to become ODA Team leaders.

So whoever said a Special Forces Officer is doing nothing but managerial stuff is off-base. You may not be the Sniper guy, or the Medic Guy, or the Demolitions Guy, but you are a Team Leader that synchronizes the team's specialties, Joint Firepower (Airforce, Navy etc), and work with the locals to achieve National Strategic Objectives. Pretty powerful stuff. And SF Officers are right on the ground with the team doing it. It is after commanding an ODA that officers start bouncing back and force between staff and command assignments.

So, to wrap it up, and answer the original question. You decide. If you have your heart set on SF and becoming an officer, great. Pick a branch that you like (it really does not matter to SF), do well at it. What you can do NOW: Get or stay in top physical condition, and develop some problem-solving skills/critical reasoning skills. When you are a First Lieutenant or complete with your Platoon Leader time, start talking with the SF Recruiters.

I would focus on that over any type of class in artillery or cold-weather training. The Army (and SF for that matter) will provide that free of charge and it will be hands-on, field oriented as opposed to theory in the classroom or something general.

Hope that helped. I had looked at the SF (and Ranger Regiment) routes during my younger years and decided to stay conventional. I have had some good friends in the SF as well, so my info above is probably pretty close, though may be outdated. The suggestions in bold are timeless and apply no matter what path you choose as an officer.

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Darn, I'm no longer the ranking officer in here.
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Old 10-15-2008, 07:21 PM #33
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Darn, I'm no longer the ranking officer in here.
it's okay jack.

we still respect you lol
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:09 PM #34
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You really want to be a special forces officer? I heard the only 'worth while' SF officers were enlisted to officer...and even at that there is a pre-requisite of being partially crazy.
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Yep,

I know who you are talking about and he is THE source as he IS SF, time now.

I am an Army Officer (Major), Infantry for 12 years. I can speak to the officer path in SF, not much more.

Basically, Special Forces Assessment and Selection (SFAS) is no different from enlisted to officer, they all go to the same school, are put into teams, and are put through three weeks of hell to assess their ability to handle extreme physical conditioning, problem-solving, teamwork, leadership etc. Even if a guy makes it through without getting injured and pass all events, the evaluators still assess a guy on the "whole man" concept. They are looking for a certain demeanor, professionalism, and apptitude to do well within the Special Ops community.

That said, a guy can get selected in SFAS and still wash out in the Qualification, or "Q" course. The "Q" course is quite a bit longer and is focused on special skills aligned with the MOS your are going for. All Officers go to the 18A Qualification Course. The course is designed to prepare Officers to become ODA Team leaders.

So whoever said a Special Forces Officer is doing nothing but managerial stuff is off-base. You may not be the Sniper guy, or the Medic Guy, or the Demolitions Guy, but you are a Team Leader that synchronizes the team's specialties, Joint Firepower (Airforce, Navy etc), and work with the locals to achieve National Strategic Objectives. Pretty powerful stuff. And SF Officers are right on the ground with the team doing it. It is after commanding an ODA that officers start bouncing back and force between staff and command assignments.

So, to wrap it up, and answer the original question. You decide. If you have your heart set on SF and becoming an officer, great. Pick a branch that you like (it really does not matter to SF), do well at it. What you can do NOW: Get or stay in top physical condition, and develop some problem-solving skills/critical reasoning skills. When you are a First Lieutenant or complete with your Platoon Leader time, start talking with the SF Recruiters.

I would focus on that over any type of class in artillery or cold-weather training. The Army (and SF for that matter) will provide that free of charge and it will be hands-on, field oriented as opposed to theory in the classroom or something general.

Hope that helped. I had looked at the SF (and Ranger Regiment) routes during my younger years and decided to stay conventional. I have had some good friends in the SF as well, so my info above is probably pretty close, though may be outdated. The suggestions in bold are timeless and apply no matter what path you choose as an officer.

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thank you Major,
that really helped
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No problem. Good luck with your future. I have no regrets.

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thanks guys, i really hope i have what it takes, its been my dream since i was about 8
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If you can get a good asvab score and background, 18x will almost be handed to you. But you do have to ask. The Army is giving 18x and Op40 contracts like candy. But you do have to meet the qualifications. 18x is good if you have the heart to do it, once you get out of airborne you will have motivation through the roof to start some high speed training.
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thanks guys, i really hope i have what it takes, its been my dream since i was about 8
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I had a full ride to Norwhich, shot it down (Thank you ARMY ROTC options) to go to the University of Alabama. But good luck bro, i had family issues so it kinda factored in to my decion

THough do the MCW (know a guy there and he loves it), join the club HITS, and do what you can to be a leader your first year WILL SUCK at Norwich, but you'll still have fun.

Good Luck bro.

Personelly im going for Jump school while in college ROTC, then going to try to become a Ranger. But im more worried about what branch im going to go into (Inf, Armor, or M.I.), so don't let anybody shoot your dreams down bud.

P.S. Try ot get all the extra tranning ya can, Jump school, Air Assualt School will help ya out.
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I had a full ride to Norwhich, shot it down (Thank you ARMY ROTC options) to go to the University of Alabama. But good luck bro, i had family issues so it kinda factored in to my decion

THough do the MCW (know a guy there and he loves it), join the club HITS, and do what you can to be a leader your first year WILL SUCK at Norwich, but you'll still have fun.

Good Luck bro.

Personelly im going for Jump school while in college ROTC, then going to try to become a Ranger. But im more worried about what branch im going to go into (Inf, Armor, or M.I.), so don't let anybody shoot your dreams down bud.

P.S. Try ot get all the extra tranning ya can, Jump school, Air Assualt School will help ya out.
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