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Old 01-19-2010, 10:43 PM #43
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thanks, I'll wait... by the way, you're right, if the marker instructions are "use HP", boy you should use HP!!!!
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Old 01-20-2010, 02:42 AM #44
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It is true that there are some advantages to using an LP output tank (assuming of course that the marker can use it). Another reason is that the air systems regulator obviously continues to regulate down to a lower pressure, meaning that a higher percentage of the shots available from the tank will be dual regulated, and hence should be "better", more consistent shots.

However, we're talking about 400psi's worth of shots, and that's not really that many to worry about.

Getting back to the Geo, the thing with the Geo is that the reg is not fully balanced, and so the reg's output pressure will vary to some degree with input pressure. If you were to use an LP output tank, chances are that you would have to crank out the pressure adjuster screw in order to get enough pressure to fire a full velocity shot. If you then switched to an HP output tank, this could then send too much pressure to the solenoid, and could potentially damage it.

To prevent this, Planet set up the reg's output range so that you couldn't send too much pressure to the solenoid when using an HP output reg. As the HP output air system increases the reg output, but the output has been limited to little more then is required to get a full velocity shot, that means that when you switch to an LP output air system, and the reg output drops, you may not be able to achieve full velocity.

That is why you should use an HP output tank with a Geo - quite simply, the Geo's inline reg is designed to use an HP output air system.

As Okitoki stated, you can use an LP/MP air system, if you switch the spring inside the Geo's inline reg, but then you need to remember to switch the springs back if you later use an HP output tank.
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Old 01-20-2010, 09:46 AM #45
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Ok so now I have a new question...

I have a micro maxflo and it is HP. But eclipse's rail is inverted, so I won't be able to use that unless I put another rail and change the whole profile of the marker, which I don't want.
So, i bought a guerrilla air myth G2 reg, which is kind of MP according to the manufacturer's descriptions... Do any of yall know if that's gonna work with a geo or should I try to work it out with the micro maxfoe??
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Old 01-20-2010, 10:08 AM #46
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You can get the hp spring from GA for the myth reg. I used it on mine for half a year before I changed to a ninja. The myth reg worked well for me while others had issues with it. Only down side I had was the pinging the reg may make when shooting. GA will change the spring if u call their customer service line.
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Old 01-20-2010, 10:57 AM #47
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Or as previously stated, you can get the LP spring for the Geo's inline reg.
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Old 01-20-2010, 03:15 PM #48
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I already bought it on compulsive paintball and since I live in Brazil that's gonna be hard to do right now... isn't there a way to make it work with the GA as it is?
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Old 01-20-2010, 03:37 PM #49
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Well, there's no harm in trying - newer Geos are a touch less pressure sensitive than the older ones anyway, so you may get lucky.

Best ways to try and get your velocity up would be a good paint to barrel fit, and backing out the VVC adjuster to give you as much air as possible to propel the ball. You can also increase the dwell to ensure that all that air is released. Thing is though, that all the time that air is being released, the ball is already accelerating up the barrel, and it could leave the barrel (and hence no longer be able to accelerate) before the extra air has had any noticeable effect on velocity - increased dwell and more air released will only take you so far, after which you are just wasting air.

Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do with the stock Geo to increase the velocity beyond turning out the VVC and turning out the reg adjuster as far as it will go. If you still aren't up to velocity, then it is purely and simply that your air system isn't providing a high enough input pressure.

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Old 01-20-2010, 04:14 PM #50
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alright... thanks.
I'll give it a try and if it works I'll let you guys know.

just dryfired a geo here, using an old inline maxflo at 400 psi output pressure... it seemed to work fine, no strange sounds whatsoever.

Eclipse was lazy... The 14x2 o-ring doesn't belong to any list of standard sizes but here are it measurements:

O-ring: 14x2
Internal diameter: 14mm
Cross section/diameter: 2mm
Durometer: NBR 70

There's also the 20x2 o-ring, required to keep the prop shaft from unscrewing:
O-ring: 20x2
Internal diameter: 20mm
Cross section/diameter: 2mm
Durometer: NBR 70
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Old 01-21-2010, 07:03 AM #51
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Please do not dry fire your Geo, it isn't good for it. It can lead to accelerated bumper wear, and if your bumper were to fail, that could lead to damage to the bolt kit.

The fact that your marker can cycle with a 400psi output air system without any weird sounds isn't to say that you will be able to achieve full velocity - you need to shoot paint and chrono your marker to ascertqain if you have full velocity.

I haven't bothered to measure the o-rings that came with my Geo in order to ascertain whether what you have said is correct, but suffice to say that the 14x2 o-rings are critical to the correct function of the Geo, and if you use o-rings of the wrong size in place of the 14x2 o-rings, your marker will not cycle as it should.
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Old 01-21-2010, 07:26 AM #52
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Yeah I dryfired just a little bit... just to get a glimpse of what's coming... The real test is of course yet to come.
By the way thanks for that advice, I didn't think the geos were like cockers on the dryfiring thing... the geo I have here right now is my friend's... He had a noid problem and a leak, after fixing the noid and doing that dryfire I opened the marker again and realized he was playing without a prop shaft ram o-ring, so I put a 011 in there.. he also put a different durometer bumper o-ring on the back of the bolt... funny, he too lazy to learn what's in the manual...

But, about that 14x2, I posted cause I had never seen before such a parameter for an o-ring... So I searched around and found out it comes from a metric series... so that info I posted up is correct. Actually I just took of that o-ring from the shaft and measured it myself just to make sure it's right.
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Old 01-21-2010, 07:57 AM #53
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Oh God!

Tell him to always ensure he has the bumpers in place, as the sail section of the Prop Shaft has been known to shear off if people go too long without a bumper. Because the bolt will also sit differently without the Prop bumper in place, it can also lead to leaks.
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Old 01-21-2010, 04:28 PM #54
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If it puts your mind at rest in the meantime i'm currently supplying Guerrilla Air tanks to our team who use Eclipse Markers. Of the Geo's using Guerrilla Air tanks with G2-Myth reg's none have needed the high pressure spring. They worked fine as is. Lowest serial number on the Geo's so far is 01694, the reason i put that bit in, is just in case there was ever a cut off point and the reg had more adjustment in them after a certain serial number. However i would have no way of knowing what that serial number would be, but if your Geo's is newer than 01694 don't worry.
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Old 01-21-2010, 04:34 PM #55
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lol

I'll tell him that, he was the only one on the team with a geo, now I'll help him out. I have seen people posting about this and sincerely, I didn't know the lack of that ring could do such damage.
Now I'm not sure if the ring he put there ruptured during play or if the last guy that repaired it for him forgot to put it, but here is the funny thing... last year, we went to a tourney and his geo was not working well, so one of my teammates who knew how to speak english went to an Eclipse booth with the marker for free repair.. So the guy (I don't remember right now who came to represent eclipse) started opening the marker and later on my friend asked:

- So, what do I have to change to fix it?

And the guy replied:

- The owner.

Hey it's 02348

I was guessing I wouldn't have problems... The dryfire I was talking about was done with less than 500 psi in the bottle with a maxflo inline and it seemed good already... G2 has an output pressure of 600 psi if I'm not mistaken so it's even higher...

THANKS FOR THE HELP!

UPDATE:

The Myth G2 preset valve does work with the geo. No LP spring is needed.

Although, due to the fact that many are complaining about shootdown with this reg, I'm updating this post right now so that people may be aware that the geo might not work properly with a G2 air supply.
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Old 05-31-2010, 01:04 PM #56
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Seeing as the Geo+ and Geo2 both come with the GST kit pre-installed, will they also be including the prop-shaft volume restrictors to acheive lower velocities while maintaining higher pressures? I didn't see this question or an answer, but I may have missed it or missed the answer in another thread, in which case please just point me in the right direction. Thanks!
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Seeing as the Geo+ and Geo2 both come with the GST kit pre-installed, will they also be including the prop-shaft volume restrictors to acheive lower velocities while maintaining higher pressures? I didn't see this question or an answer, but I may have missed it or missed the answer in another thread, in which case please just point me in the right direction. Thanks!
The GEO+ has the volume restrictors.

Can't comment on the GEO2, but I imagine that with the S3 inline reg allows for velocity to be adjusted low enough without having a problem on the cycling of the marker.
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Old 05-31-2010, 03:01 PM #59
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quick question..

i was removing the bolt from my geo to maintain it and everything came out fine except the bolt can appears to be stuck inside the marker. i have owned this geo for over 6 months and this has never happened to me.
first of all how can i get it out without damaging anything and how can i prevent this from happening again?
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Seeing as the Geo+ and Geo2 both come with the GST kit pre-installed, will they also be including the prop-shaft volume restrictors to acheive lower velocities while maintaining higher pressures? I didn't see this question or an answer, but I may have missed it or missed the answer in another thread, in which case please just point me in the right direction. Thanks!
The Geo2 does have the equivalent of the Geo ST kit in it, but it isn't actually the same - you have the same can, but the bolt in the Geo2 is actually different to the ST kit bolt for a Geo.

More important in this instance is actually the Propshaft, as the ST kit's volume restrictors attach to the Geo's stock Propshaft.

The Propshaft assembly in the Geo2 is entirely different to that in a Geo, and as such, it is questionable as to whether the ST kit's volume restrictors would fit. I would suspect that the volume restrictors would interfere with the movement of the sprung drive core.

I have seen no mention of the use of the volume restrictors with the Geo2.

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quick question..

i was removing the bolt from my geo to maintain it and everything came out fine except the bolt can appears to be stuck inside the marker. i have owned this geo for over 6 months and this has never happened to me.
first of all how can i get it out without damaging anything and how can i prevent this from happening again?
This isn't uncommon, and either means that the inner can or bolt tip o-ring is a loose fit - allowing the bolt to pull out of the can easily - or that the outer can o-rings are a tight fit, so that the can hasn't slid out easily. Maybe the outer can o-rings have swollen a little, or need a bit more grease. You just need to reach in, grab the tail of the can, and pull it out.

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This isn't uncommon, and either means that the inner can or bolt tip o-rinmg is a loose fit - allowing the bolt to pull out of the can easily - or that the outer can o-rings are a tight fit, so that the can hasn't slid out easily. Maybe the outer can o-rings have swollen a little, or need a bit more grease. You just need to reach in, grab the tail of the can, and pull it out.
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Old 07-10-2010, 10:37 PM #62
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How can you tell the yr or what Gen it may be. and if its a + or not?
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Old 07-11-2010, 07:51 AM #63
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There are two generations of the stock Geo - the Geo and the Geo2. If you find yourself pictures of both, they can easily be told apart.

The Geo+ is basically a first generation Geo, with the soft touch kit installed - a factory upgraded Geo in other words. It's really not a great deal different to buying a first gen Geo and then buying and installing the ST kit yourself. A couple of the Geo+ colour schemes are also different to those of the Geo - white with black parts and grey with black parts.
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