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Old 09-29-2008, 10:15 PM #1
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air assault school vs. jump school

anybody have any experience in either? i'm gonna have a chance to do one and was just wondering if anyone had any input
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:18 PM #2
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I've done both.

If you want to jump out of planes go to Airborne school..

If you want to fast rope out of choppers etc. go to Air Assault School.

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Old 09-29-2008, 10:21 PM #3
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which is more fun?
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:32 PM #4
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which is more fun?
Matter of opinion, but I thoughy charging in on the skits of a little bird or fast roping out a black hawk Black Hawk Down style was pretty fun

Plus I mean the last real combat jump was in Vietnam... so getting your jump wings is pretty useless.

I only have mine from having to get them when I did my ranger stuff. Funny thing is, even if you're only attached to the 82nd or 101st you still get to wear the airborne tab

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Old 09-29-2008, 11:10 PM #5
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Yep, jumping is obsolete even though its fun. I can't believe the Army is still wasting money to send people there. I had a great time, mostly due to meeting a young female lieutenant there... I showed her how to pack a chute and in return she showed me how well she could clean a barrel.
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:13 PM #6
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You don't think in a future conflict an insertion by airborne drop will be necessary? What about HALO drops?
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Yep, jumping is obsolete even though its fun. I can't believe the Army is still wasting money to send people there. I had a great time, mostly due to meeting a young female lieutenant there... I showed her how to pack a chute and in return she showed me how well she could clean a barrel.
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:14 PM #8
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You don't think in a future conflict an insertion by airborne drop will be necessary? What about HALO drops?
nah helicopters are basically where its at. most patrols are even helicopter insertions
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:31 PM #9
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didnt we jump into a-stan?
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:36 PM #10
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didnt we jump into a-stan?
not that I know of
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Old 09-30-2008, 12:07 AM #11
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don't think so.. ****, in 2003 I freaking trucked up into the fight with the 82nd... you know when the eight deuce is trucking, the whole jumping thing is done.
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Old 09-30-2008, 06:02 AM #12
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200 82nd paratroopers and Rangers jumped in Afghanistan in 2001, and 1000 paratroopers from the 173rd Airborne Brigade jumped into northern Iraq during the invasion in 03. A total of 6000 paratroopers jumped on panama in 89, and another smaller jump of 500 in grenada in 83.

Just a list of some recent combat jumps. There was also another jump in Afghanistan on october 22nd of 2001.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSe_9...eature=related

There were also special forces jumps in desert storm. So during every major military operation since world war 2, there has been a combat jump by some unit of the U.S. Army.

That being said, I completely disagree with previous statements that Airborne is a dead concept. I've been to both Air Assault and Airbone school, and I loved them both, but they are two different missions, hence why we keep two seperate divisions.

Airborne divisions are used to put an independent sizable force (up do a division) behind enemy lines by surprise. With today's aircraft, these units can be delivered anywhere in the world on short notice. These units are dropped behind enemy lines to cause havoc, to confuse the enemy, and to split the enemies forces (as was done in Iraq in 03) from one front to two fronts. However, once on the ground, they are light infantry and until reinforcements arrive, can only move as far as they can march.

Helicopters have a combat range of 300 to 400 miles. They are low flying and it takes a huge number to move a division sized force. The helicopters and soldiers have to be marshalled in theatre, due to the limited range of the choppers, and have to be properly prepared. Once ready for action, the unit is rapidly deployable to exact locations and have the ability to carry heavier equipment such as artillery and vehicles. Also, once deployed to a forward position, they can reboard and jump to yet another position quickly, something paratroopers cannot do.

Obviously both types of attack have their pros and cons. That being said, no one is better than the other. That is why we have both the 82nd airborne, and 101st airborne (air assault), instead of two airborne divisions or two air assault divisions (even though we have many smaller airborne and air assault capable units, im just talking about division size).
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Old 09-30-2008, 06:05 AM #13
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oh, and to the OP:

Personally I like airborne more, as theres something to be said about being able to call yourself a paratrooper and feel the rush of stepping into the blackness on a night jump.

But, there is also something to be said about the feeling of invicibility and power of riding into combat on such a beautiful machine as a helicopter. I never got to make a combat jump, but I did make several helicopter insertions with the 101st during the invasion in 03.
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Old 09-30-2008, 02:48 PM #14
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FYI, paratroopers are also able to jump (via static line) off of helicopters. I've done it from a Blackhawk. Then again, we were hurting to jump and the Air Force pilots seemed incapable of flying unless they had milk with their cookies at lunch, so I'm not certain of its practicality.
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Old 09-30-2008, 03:03 PM #15
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didnt we jump into a-stan?
Small SOF units did so Im told.
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Old 09-30-2008, 06:25 PM #16
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Old 09-30-2008, 07:01 PM #17
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not that I know of
3rd Ranger Batt jumped onto some air feild.
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Old 09-30-2008, 07:32 PM #18
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SF ODA just did a HALO jump into some out of the way Iraqi town not too long ago
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And all the ones I listed above are static line jumps. HALO jumps are completely different, and god only knows how many combat HALO jumps there have been.
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Yep, jumping is obsolete even though its fun. I can't believe the Army is still wasting money to send people there. I had a great time, mostly due to meeting a young female lieutenant there... I showed her how to pack a chute and in return she showed me how well she could clean a barrel.
What like with a bore?

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Old 09-30-2008, 09:39 PM #21
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