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Old 09-26-2008, 04:19 AM #43
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If you want to go in and Kill People and let someone else clean it up ..IE Army join the Marines.. that's how its suppose to work but not now, we tried to do it in Afghanistan without great success.. Marines are not meant to be a occupying force, we aren't meant to do security patrols we are suppose to Invade Citys, Fallujha, Najaf, Nasayriah, and So on

and Scout Sniper is a MOS In the Marines.. I think it may be 0321 but im not to sure

Obviously I'm going to say Marines have the best Infantry
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:03 AM #44
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Read a History book? what conflict did we Marines invade and control... enlighten me...

WW2- island hopping campaign. We invaded and controlled those islands for a while.

Korea- Inchon to the frozen chosin.

Nam- we had a presence there for the entire war.




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Old 09-26-2008, 10:30 AM #45
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WW2- island hopping campaign. We invaded and controlled those islands for a while.

Korea- Inchon to the frozen chosin.

Nam- we had a presence there for the entire war.




...what's your MOS, Eric99BL?
But if you look at all of that stuff we didn't really didn't hold that stuff. You do know that the Army was in the Pacific too right? The battle of Okinawa was almost an Army Victory but the Marines edged them out in the first 1/2 of the battle and after that it wasn't enough to go around for the army to catch back up to our number of battle/victories. There was some islands that were won by the Army and most won by the Marines.

It's easy to have a presence in any war. But to sit at a place over time and still be able to operate at the level we're expected to is what Eric is trying to say. We can occupy and hold a place hell look at AL Anbar. We've proven it can work. But that is a small place but there is a small amount of Marines. That is one reason why we do 7 month deployments. We can't afford to have 5th or 6th Marines gone for 15 months or any of the other units.

Keith if you really look up all those battles and battle fields it shows that we left those places after some time.

Hell look at Haybenia the 2ed push we pushed it the Army held it after we were there for a year and we had to push again and the Army had it for a 2ed time again.

With man power 1/5 of the Army's we can't do as much as them. Look at all teh forign bases we really don't have that many other then Australia Okinawa. Maybe a few others but the ones in Germany, Korea are all Army we might be there but they're not ours.

Oh and last note the Islands we controlled was more or less the Navy and ships that stopped them from taking the islands back. I never knew that much stuff happened over in the islands till I went to Japan and went to the museum.
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Old 09-26-2008, 02:57 PM #46
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If we were meant for a occupying force why do we have such a high turn around for deployments... Yea we occupy and control but we cant do it in High fashion and for long periods of time like the Army does, because the Army has more money and people..

The only conflict you could kind of say we controlled and occupied was the Islands, and even then the Navy was there..
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Old 09-26-2008, 03:49 PM #47
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Eric have you read any of my posts? We're echoing....
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Old 09-26-2008, 03:52 PM #48
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If you want to go in and Kill People and let someone else clean it up ..IE Army
I actually agree with you guys, its obvious the Marines are intended to be a smaller, more rapidly deploying shock force. I just have a problem with the above statement.. I'm pretty sure we stay around and finish our jobs.
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Yeah I know.. seems like they took offense to my original post lol.. and I said it because we dont have the money nor the resources to rebuild
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Old 09-26-2008, 10:39 PM #50
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Keith if you really look up all those battles and battle fields it shows that we left those places after some time.
I didn't look up all those battles... but I'm pretty sure we were in Vietnam the whole time.
But yeah... we're meant to be an expeditionary force, not an occupying one. I know... I was just trying to play the devil's advocate.


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Old 09-27-2008, 12:16 AM #51
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:33 AM #52
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....how are you an 11, and you not know what an 0321 is?
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yeah right, it's all the talk at SOI for a week or 2 then at the end again.
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:38 AM #54
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haha this thread has gone wayyyy off topic
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and Eric saying the Marines have the best infantry is very biased, since if we want to be technical, I can include the Airborne, 10th Mountain, and the Rangers as infantry
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Old 09-27-2008, 08:38 PM #56
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and Eric saying the Marines have the best infantry is very biased, since if we want to be technical, I can include the Airborne, 10th Mountain, and the Rangers as infantry
...and we can include Recon.



...and we can talk about Grenada, in which regular Marine Infantry was doing more than Airborne and Rangers.
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...and we can include Recon.



...and we can talk about Grenada, in which regular Marine Infantry was doing more than Airborne and Rangers.
My brother is a recon marine... they're idiots watch generation kill


Okay that was 1980's marines...


It's still a biased view, since becoming a tabbed ranger > going to MCT
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every branch has its elite units, every branch has its non combat people
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Okay that was 1980's marines...


It's still a biased view, since becoming a tabbed ranger > going to MCT
Well, there's not many other instances where we can compare them heads-up. That's the only instance, actually, that I can think of. Maybe we should do it again, eh? Just send two groups into Afghanistan, and say "Go", and see which one does better. I don't care which one wins... I just think it'd be cool.


and MCT is non-infantry. SOI/ITB is Infantry.

...and getting a tab is no doubt more difficult than becoming an 03. It's what happens after that, though, that people argue about.
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IMO formal training doesn't even matter that much. These days, combat experience, on the ground, in the mud where the bullets hit the **** is where the real training happens. I would take some POG *** E-3 busted down for ****ing the sergeant major's daughter troop, who has at least been in a fight over a fresh out of basic ranger bat infantry soldier any day. **** all this crap about 'this is what we are supposed to do' and 'such as such's training is harder'.. it just doesn't matter anymore. We all spill the same blood in the same mud.
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IMO formal training doesn't even matter that much. These days, combat experience, on the ground, in the mud where the bullets hit the **** is where the real training happens. I would take some POG *** E-3 busted down for ****ing the sergeant major's daughter troop, who has at least been in a fight over a fresh out of basic ranger bat infantry soldier any day. **** all this crap about 'this is what we are supposed to do' and 'such as such's training is harder'.. it just doesn't matter anymore. We all spill the same blood in the same mud.
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really the elite are just reg people who PT more and rehearse the basics more and more then the reg. inf.

If you really look at it that is all it really is. You do crazy stuff but you do MOUT and EMOUT till your feet fall off.
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....how are you an 11, and you not know what an 0321 is?
I dont know..I dont really care? Whats your mos?
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