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Old 09-16-2008, 04:27 PM #1
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2001 A4 1.8T vs. 2002 3.2TL

Which one is the better buy here, based on specs, condition, mileage, and price alone?


The A4 is an original owner car, smoke-free, nearly perfect exterior and interior, 150k miles and a 5 speed -- something I am a big fan of having now that I'm out in the mountains and not commuting an hour a day in bumper to bumper traffic. Private party is asking $6500 for it.




The 3.2TL is in almost perfect shape as well, with 101k miles, super clean, and for sale at a dealership for around 8 grand.






Both are in pretty fantastic shape, gas mileage would be pretty much the same for both, and I can afford both of them easily enough - but is an audi with 150k miles just asking for trouble, even if it is an original owner car?
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:29 PM #2
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I'd much rather have a b5 a4, but find one with >100k and make sure the timing chain/belt w/e it is has been replaced. well that goes for the acura also. the transmissions in those cars are notoriously shoddy I think.

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Old 09-16-2008, 04:30 PM #3
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get the tl, it will be more reliable and cheaper to fix albiet acuras are still expensive to maintane
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:31 PM #4
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I'm leaning towards the Acura even though I really want a manual transmission and I've always wanted an A4...

The TL just looks so much more comfortable and luxurious both on the inside and outside.

And acuras really aren't that much more expensive to fix than Hondas...and in terms of luxury cars, they're pretty damned cheap to repair.
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get a I'd much rather have a b5 a4, but find one with >100k and make sure the timing chain/belt w/e it is has been replaced. well that goes for the acura also. the transmissions in those cars are notoriously shoddy I think.
Nice work on not even coming close to an answer.

I'd take the Acura with less miles, just because its somewhat more of an investment. You'll probably get more monies worth since you could put more miles on it. I like the Audi more, especially the interior, but based on practicality I would say the Acura.
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Nice work on not even coming close to an answer.

I'd take the Acura with less miles, just because its somewhat more of an investment. You'll probably get more monies worth since you could put more miles on it. I like the Audi more, especially the interior, but based on practicality I would say the Acura.
That's also what I'm thinking, but if I were going to get a used Audi with fairly high miles, it would definitely be the one above

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Audi A4 1.8 Turbo. Original owner. Looks and runs great, dealer maintained with receipts. All highway miles. Great gas mileage. On board computer with climate control. Mobil 1 synthetic oil and filter for life of car. Garage kept, no accidents, clear title. Non-smoker, very clean interior. All weather mats. Keyless entry with alarm. Good tires, good brakes. Maintenance book. OBO
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:37 PM #7
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Audi>Acura for the most part, but the Audi is expensive for 150k. I was gonna sell my audi for 5500 with 120k.
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maintenance receipts is a huge plus for me....
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That's also what I'm thinking, but if I were going to get a used Audi with fairly high miles, it would definitely be the one above
I don't really know much about Audi reliability but I would say the motor should be good for 250k miles but before that other stuff starts to **** out no matter what your driving. Its not like a truck where you can just pop the hood and replace stuff. Just my 2c on luxury cars.
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With 1.8T's, the turbo's go around 90k or so. other than that, keep up with oil changes [full synthetic] and Timing Belt's and it'll last a good while.

I beat the piss out of my 1.8T, it sees 5k+ revs and full boost [21 psi] several times a day with 120k and it runs super strong. The only issue i have a s slightly hard shift in the tranny, but it's an automatic

EDIT: Upon rereading it, you can get much lower mileage A4's for 6500. I'd shop around for another B5 a4 if you like them.
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yeah luxury cars have way more non-serviceable parts than trucks
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I have 138k miles on my stock turbo with the last 30k miles HARD driving (autocross/canyon cruises a lot, probably >20 runs at the strip) and the engine has never thrown a code. I've changed the timing belt/water pump, oil, and i changed sparkplugs once.

As long as the B5 was maintained properly (take it to a quality euro shop and have them inspect it before you buy) it will last well over 200k.

At 150k the timing belt/water pump should have been changed twice, if not, that should be a first priority. the control arms and tie rod ends were probably changed around 100k, so at around 200k you'll have to change those. Be aware that you'll need to change the front wheel bearings pretty soon if they weren't already changed, and you'll want to keep an eye on the cv boots. A 2001 is a good year for the A4, if you ever want more power there are great options for anywhere from 150awhp to 320+awhp with prices that are pretty fair.

I just noticed that the A4 you linked doesn't have the quattro badge on the grill or in the interior... if it isn't quattro, that's not a deal killer because Audi's frontrak system is one of the better fwd setups, but I'd reconsider trying to find a quattro model.

here's my A4 and my friend's for some motivation
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yeah luxury cars have way more non-serviceable parts than trucks
Different parts since there made in Europe. Don't sell em anywheres.
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wat? I can get basically any replacement part fort my audi.
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Different parts since there made in Europe. Don't sell em anywheres.
lulz like what?

I could basically rebuild an A4 from the ground up using these 4 websites:

btw... i pop the hood and replace stuff on my car.... I plan on rebuilding the engine+building the head in the near future too.
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srs. I have only ever had to use ecs tuning for parts.
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Just talked to the guy with the Audi...the 150k was almost entirely highway miles (his wife's commute to work every day) and all the belts and water pump were changed at 94,000
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acura.. i just feel like the audi is going to be a headache for you
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Just talked to the guy with the Audi...the 150k was almost entirely highway miles (his wife's commute to work every day) and all the belts and water pump were changed at 94,000
Here's your list of things to check for in the maintenance records (or ask about):
  • control arms
  • tie rod ends
  • cv boots
  • cv joints
  • clutch
  • brakes
  • abs control module
  • wheel bearings
  • cam seals
  • valve cover gasket
  • (check for) power steering pump leaks

None of these are critical problems, but they're good ways to haggle the price down and you should know what you're getting into.
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acura.. i just feel like the audi is going to be a headache for you
yay for generalizations.
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Here's your list of things to check for in the maintenance records (or ask about):
  • control arms
  • tie rod ends
  • cv boots
  • cv joints
  • clutch
  • brakes
  • abs control module
  • wheel bearings
  • cam seals
  • valve cover gasket
  • (check for) power steering pump leaks

None of these are critical problems, but they're good ways to haggle the price down and you should know what you're getting into.

will do, thanks for the info

As for the quattro and bolt-on/power mods down the road, I don't see that happening on a financed car - doesn't make much sense fiscally, and I'm not trying to be speed racer here, I just want a quality car that will last me and be fun to drive when I want it to be
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