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Old 05-20-2008, 06:42 PM #22
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so is it the blow back action of the spyder to return the hammer or is it the pump arm

i dont wanna mess this up but ill give it a shot

the second way mentioned in this by kenny mckormick seems the way i said how the blowback returns the hammer


but i want to know the way where the hammer is returned by the pump arm
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:21 PM #23
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sticky this so people will stop asking all the time
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:20 PM #24
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so is it the blow back action of the spyder to return the hammer or is it the pump arm

i dont wanna mess this up but ill give it a shot

the second way mentioned in this by kenny mckormick seems the way i said how the blowback returns the hammer


but i want to know the way where the hammer is returned by the pump arm
here's a quick breakdown:

fire.
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V
nothing recocks. there is no blowback with the new valve in place.
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recock the gun. once the bolt goes back far enough, the bolt pin will catch the striker where the original hole was, thus recocking the striker.
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V
pump the gun, this loads the paint.
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V
pull trigger. this releases the striker and opens the valve. the cycle is complete.

repeat
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Old 05-20-2008, 10:11 PM #25
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so the valve is always open? allowing air to pass through or does the hammer back off a little bit?...
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Old 05-20-2008, 10:23 PM #26
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so the valve is always open? allowing air to pass through or does the hammer back off a little bit?...
The valve spring and the pressure in the chamber will close the valve almost instantly after it is open and move the hammer back slightly. The hammer needs the momentum from the main spring to open the valve, so the only way the valve will open is if the hammer is pulled back and released. Modding or changing the valve pin will not change how the valve works, but it will simply cut off the air that was used to re-cock the gun.
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Old 05-20-2008, 11:28 PM #27
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oooh ok


thanks
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Old 06-16-2008, 08:28 PM #28
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this should be stickied. best spyder to pump conversion thread i have ever seen
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:56 PM #29
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Old 06-17-2008, 04:46 PM #30
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if i cut the pin on the bolt instead of slotting the striker would it have the same effect?
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:07 PM #31
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if i cut the pin on the bolt instead of slotting the striker would it have the same effect?
It would, but it wouldn't be a TRUE pump, as the marker can still cycle through blow-back.
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:11 PM #32
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wait why wouldn't it work the same way
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:56 PM #33
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wait why wouldn't it work the same way
Because the pump arm isn't recocking the striker.
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Old 06-17-2008, 07:31 PM #34
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if i cut the pin on the bolt instead of slotting the striker would it have the same effect?
No, because every time you fired the gun, the striker would blow back into the cocked position. Remember, a pump gun is a gun that requires a pump action to cock it prior to being fired. All you've done is just disabled the bolt part of the mechanism and not created a pump shooter. Basically, the version you're talking about is a blowback gun with a manual loader - not a true pump in that a pump gun resets both the bolt AND the striker.

You could accomplish the same thing by just leaving the gun alone and loading one ball through the feedneck at a time by hand.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:01 PM #35
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i really want this stickied here and in custom markers.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:24 PM #36
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Old 06-18-2008, 03:46 PM #37
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it won't go in custom markers because that section is for home-built guns (i.e., self-designed operating systems), not conversions.
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Old 10-04-2008, 10:42 PM #38
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i really don't like reviving old threads but i have a spyder laying around so forgive me. the striker wouldn't blow back because the new valve pin won't give it any pressure to do so. am i right sniper?

i could just remove the pullpin entirely and use the trilogy pump conversion kit right?

EDIT: nevermind i just thought about it and unless you find another way to cock th striker the pullpin has to stay there. but the striker WON'T recock because there is no pressure to recock it.
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Old 10-04-2008, 10:56 PM #39
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^Hence why you need to slot the striker, this way the pull pin catches the hammer and recocks it when you push the bolt back, but allows it to come fully forward indepently of the bolt when it strikes the valve.
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Old 10-05-2008, 04:28 AM #40
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Couldn't you just cut the pin like this "\" so that when you cock it, the sear will catch the striker and then you have to have the bolt forward or it will slam the bolt forward along with the pump arm but not recock itself with blowback. It probably wouldn't even have enough force to shoot the ball more than 10 feet out of the barrel if you didn't pump it forward. I am talking about using a modified valve pin and modify the bolt pin.
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Old 10-05-2008, 06:16 AM #41
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I'm not positive what you're talking about. But the only way to allow the striker to come forward independently of the bolt is to slot it. Then the pump arm, attached to the bolt, is able to carry the striker back and reset it on the backstroke when you recock. The forward stroke then closes the bolt, while the striker is held back by the sear. Pull the trigger and repeat.
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No, because every time you fired the gun, the striker would blow back into the cocked position. Remember, a pump gun is a gun that requires a pump action to cock it prior to being fired. All you've done is just disabled the bolt part of the mechanism and not created a pump shooter. Basically, the version you're talking about is a blowback gun with a manual loader - not a true pump in that a pump gun resets both the bolt AND the striker.

You could accomplish the same thing by just leaving the gun alone and loading one ball through the feedneck at a time by hand.
It seems that people in this thread are looking for a shortcut to making a "pump" gun. The thing is, unless you do the two main things (disabling blowback AND slotting the striker) you basically have a handicapped blowback gun. It wants to be a blowback, or a pump, but part of it works as a blowback, part of it works as a pump. There are no shortcuts to making a TRUE pump gun.

What's more, since it starts as a Spyder/clone in the first place, it doesn't carry as much credibility if all you're doing is moving the bolt back and force.
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