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Old 05-11-2008, 05:31 PM #127
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There's a real simple reason why a rechargeable was used...there's no room for a standard battery in there. The speaker would be in the way, the board would be in the way, the solenoid would be in the way...you get the idea
If it weren't for those features then it'd use a regular battery. But since all those features are thigns that make the marekr as good as it is, we kinda have no chocie, lest the marekr get a "tray" like a gun from 2002.

That said, they do some with a spare battery, and you can easily swap them out (unlike the old angels). You can charge both batts then have a backup ready to go.
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Old 05-11-2008, 06:03 PM #128
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I would like it if smart parts would release an after market bolt guide for shockers that was similar to the luxe, in the sense that its hollowed out in the center. IMO it noticably decreases the sound signature of the gun, I like quiet guns.
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Old 05-11-2008, 06:24 PM #129
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damn still strip eyes .. when will PB companies realize those things are horrible
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:05 PM #130
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There's a real simple reason why a rechargeable was used...there's no room for a standard battery in there. The speaker would be in the way, the board would be in the way, the solenoid would be in the way...you get the idea
If it weren't for those features then it'd use a regular battery. But since all those features are thigns that make the marekr as good as it is, we kinda have no chocie, lest the marekr get a "tray" like a gun from 2002.

That said, they do some with a spare battery, and you can easily swap them out (unlike the old angels). You can charge both batts then have a backup ready to go.
If it didnt have the speaker/joystick/rechargeable battery/vertical solenoid/ribbon eyes/all that bull**** thats there purely to annoy. And instead had a simple trigger programmed OLED board powered by a 9 volt; with a normal manifold mounted solenoid, and foolproof Ego/Marq style eyes, Id consider buying one, that is, if they werent $1500...
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Old 05-11-2008, 10:33 PM #131
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If it didn't have all that stuff, then it'd just be a Shocker with an OLED board. Now, it's true that a Shocker with OLED would be nice, but that's still just a Shocker.

The solenoid is actually a very important feature here. it allows the frame to be VERY thin atounf the thumb webbing. it feels extremely similar to a UL in my hands. You couldn't do that without totally redesigning the rest of the system.

I'm not saying this is the best way to do things, but I am saying that they're listenign to what players want and delivering on a lot of it. of course nobody said "I want a gun that talks" but hey waht can ya do. Personally I do prefer OLED displays myself, but you also have to remember there wasn't such thing as a useable OLED back when the development of this marker begun.
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If it didn't have all that stuff, then it'd just be a Shocker with an OLED board. Now, it's true that a Shocker with OLED would be nice, but that's still just a Shocker.

The solenoid is actually a very important feature here. it allows the frame to be VERY thin atounf the thumb webbing. it feels extremely similar to a UL in my hands. You couldn't do that without totally redesigning the rest of the system.

I'm not saying this is the best way to do things, but I am saying that they're listenign to what players want and delivering on a lot of it. of course nobody said "I want a gun that talks" but hey waht can ya do. Personally I do prefer OLED displays myself, but you also have to remember there wasn't such thing as a useable OLED back when the development of this marker begun.
however, with the way Tadao is looking, this thing being an OLED Shocker would have been the only chance to see an OLED Shocker

Plus, does an bunch of annoyances more then double the MSRP of a gun?
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Old 05-12-2008, 09:12 AM #133
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No, but a bunch of well-engineered improvements do

At least it apparently does in this case, anyway. I don't think there's a set rule book for this type of thing, heh
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Old 05-12-2008, 09:54 AM #134
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The battery on the gun gives you like 50K shots. AND charges in 40 mins to full. It is a Li-pro battery, which is the newest technolog in rechargeable batteries. I think it is much better than buying batteries all the damn time.

Also, the ribbon is better than the wire eyes. The ribbon will not end of getting pinched or messed up by the user as easily. Why are wired eyes better? Makes no sense to me. Joystick and speaker make it easy to program the board. It tells you what you are doing. No blinky lights to figure out. Makes programming a snap. Everything on the Luxe is meant to make things easier for the user and I think it does a damn good job of it. I will be shooting another one this weekend at the NY big game.
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The battery on the gun gives you like 50K shots. AND charges in 40 mins to full. It is a Li-pro battery, which is the newest technolog in rechargeable batteries. I think it is much better than buying batteries all the damn time.

Also, the ribbon is better than the wire eyes. The ribbon will not end of getting pinched or messed up by the user as easily. Why are wired eyes better? Makes no sense to me. Joystick and speaker make it easy to program the board. It tells you what you are doing. No blinky lights to figure out. Makes programming a snap. Everything on the Luxe is meant to make things easier for the user and I think it does a damn good job of it. I will be shooting another one this weekend at the NY big game.
any plans on releasing some refined internals for sft's and nxt's? I would really like to see that, esspecially seeing how quiet this luxe is.

or is it all hush hush?
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any plans on releasing some refined internals for sft's and nxt's? I would really like to see that, esspecially seeing how quiet this luxe is.

or is it all hush hush?
If they did that they couldn't sell you one of these....

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If they did that they couldn't sell you one of these....

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Did you mean Li Polymer battery?
What is Li Pro??
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Old 05-12-2008, 01:53 PM #139
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Did you mean Li Polymer battery?
What is Li Pro??

Li-Po. Yes, you are correct. My bad. It is monday

As far as the shocker goes. I do not know. I doubt it.
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To respond to your post earlier about why some of us prefer eye wires to ribbon is simple. A pinch in a wire takes 1 minute to fix with a wire stripper and electrical tape...ribbons are not as easily repaired, imo, and hard to come by... I still have yet to find a replacement set for my sft for under 20.
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To respond to your post earlier about why some of us prefer eye wires to ribbon is simple. A pinch in a wire takes 1 minute to fix with a wire stripper and electrical tape...ribbons are not as easily repaired, imo, and hard to come by... I still have yet to find a replacement set for my sft for under 20.
I have never seen a pinched flex strip ever. Having a flex strip prevents it from happening. As far as you needing a new SFT eye, it is because the eye went bad itself. Has nothing to do with being a flex strip. And yes, those SFT ones are more expensive. The NXT eyes only retail for $12. The reflective eyes are $30 retail.
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Li-Po. Yes, you are correct. My bad. It is monday

As far as the shocker goes. I do not know. I doubt it.
Sean, eventhough you are one of the coolest people I have ever known, and one of the most knowledgeable, I get to correct you.

The battery is a rechargeable. It does not have the memory in it, and the gun will come with an extra one. Batteries will be made available later once the final costs are figured out. The shot count is about 4500 shots on one full charge, but tests have shown up near 20,000 shots.
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Damn... my spies mis-informed me. Oh well. Thanks for correcting me.
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So on avg, you dont even get 3 cases on one charge ?

TBH it sounds a bit low, 20K sounds great, but under normal use the count is around the 4500 count then?

Sorry to sidetrack or get OT here, it just really surprised me.
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Also, the ribbon is better than the wire eyes. The ribbon will not end of getting pinched or messed up by the user as easily. Why are wired eyes better? Makes no sense to me.
Makes mucho sence to me. ribbion eyes rip instead of getting pinched. so it is easier to damage the ribbion instead of the wire
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Yes it is easy to pinch an eye wire. A ribbon strip is very fragile in my experiences. They rip very easy and are hard to plug and unplug. If Mil-spec wire in 26 gauge was used it could stand all the abuse needed. A soldering iron can't dent Teflon insulated wire.
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You probably haven't ever seen an E-blade. They get pinched all the time.
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