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Old 04-03-2008, 01:23 AM #43
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You live in California, you can't buy **** anyway.

I'm 100 ****ing percent for gun control. I really don't need to get into why.

The thing that pisses me off is all you ****ing people saying 'they're taking away my 2nd amendment rights'. **** that, the right to bear arms does NOT grant you the right to own any ****ing gun you want, it gives you the right to bear arms to protect your country. If you wanna do that, join the military. The Bill of Rights was written in 1791, saying that it gives you the right to own various [unnecessary] weapons is ridiculous! Times have changed, the context has changed, live with it.
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Um, no? That was a dumb reason to say you need an assault rifle to protect yourself. If someone tries to rob you just protect yourself with a pistol like most other people with a CCW permit do, you dont have to be a moron about it.

Im just hoping you were kidding.
The fact that you use the term "assault rifle" shows you don't know what your talking about.
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The fact that you use the term "assault rifle" shows you don't know what your talking about.
M16, AK47, you knew what I meant, Im not a big gun guy. I have some shotguns thats it, sorry.
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You live in California, you can't buy **** anyway.

I'm 100 ****ing percent for gun control. I really don't need to get into why.

The thing that pisses me off is all you ****ing people saying 'they're taking away my 2nd amendment rights'. **** that, the right to bear arms does NOT grant you the right to own any ****ing gun you want, it gives you the right to bear arms to protect your country. If you wanna do that, join the military. The Bill of Rights was written in 1791, saying that it gives you the right to own various [unnecessary] weapons is ridiculous! Times have changed, the context has changed, live with it.
You are aware that the 2nd amendment was written (with numerous other accounts proving so) so that the peopel could protect themselves AGAINST the government?

Guns protect more than they destroy, look up some facts buddy.
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M16, AK47, you knew what I meant, Im not a big gun guy. I have some shotguns thats it, sorry.
What is the difference between M16 or a mini-14 ranch? AK-47 and SKS? They all shoot the same bullets.
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But if other people, untrained in firearms or defending themselves with them, had them at those schools none of those shootings would have happened. Its the hippy liberals fault.
I don't think I really want to go to school knowing there are people who think they can play hero with firearms.

For a long time I was for gun rights.. but I don't know. I have honestly heard about 3 school shootings across the world in my lifetime but probably 10-15 in America and way more than that in public places that aren't schools.
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Do you happen to remember the numerous school shootings that occurred in Canada these past years?

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/...ts-dawson.html
No, I didn't. But perhaps that's because people still have guns after they banned them...

I'm not sure banning guns now would solve anything. People would just hide them. But had we banned guns from the start, I doubt school shootings would have happened.

Either way, I'm on the fence. It's pretty frustrating that people can go on a killing rampage and then just kill themselves. Leaves me feeling pretty helpless.

And I think I've heard about maybe 1 shooting in Japan. None in China. A couple in England. None from other places in Europe that I can remember.
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No, I didn't. But perhaps that's because people still have guns after they banned them...

I'm not sure banning guns now would solve anything. People would just hide them. But had we banned guns from the start, I doubt school shootings would have happened.

Either way, I'm on the fence. It's pretty frustrating that people can go on a killing rampage and then just kill themselves. Leaves me feeling pretty helpless.

And I think I've heard about maybe 1 shooting in Japan. None in China. A couple in England. None from other places in Europe that I can remember.
canada never banned guns?

Japan and England both have very strict gun control with nearly no legal guns in circulation.

You wouldn't hear about murders coming out of China, they're not the freest with their news remember?

There was a school shooting recently in either the Netherlands or Denmark if i remember right.
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What is the difference between M16 or a mini-14 ranch? AK-47 and SKS? They all shoot the same bullets.
Well if you want to split hairs the M16 TEHCNICLY isn't an assult rifle.

5.56x45mm =/= 7.62x39mm
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And I think I've heard about maybe 1 shooting in Japan. None in China. A couple in England. None from other places in Europe that I can remember.
Mass shootings are pretty "american", but regular gun violence isn't. Every murder around the world isn't going to end up being shoved down your throat on CNN.
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He was saying the Mini-14 and AR15 both fire the same round, and then the SKS and AK-47 fire the same round. Any models of these guns that you can walk into a shop and buy right away all fire the same way. 1 trigger pull, 1 bullet. Yet 2 of them get singled out for being bad, and the other 2 are left alone. It's bull****, all 4 should be left alone. Why? pistol grips, and other small features. Buy if I want I can put all those same features on an SKS or Mini-14 and nobody would complain.

According to "real" definitions, and not bull**** political scare tactic definitions, NONE of the semi-auto rifles I have mentioned are assault rifles.


For reference, this is a .223 rifle manufactured by Rock River Arms. It is NOT an assault rifle

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You live in California, you can't buy **** anyway.

I'm 100 ****ing percent for gun control. I really don't need to get into why.

The thing that pisses me off is all you ****ing people saying 'they're taking away my 2nd amendment rights'. **** that, the right to bear arms does NOT grant you the right to own any ****ing gun you want, it gives you the right to bear arms to protect your country. If you wanna do that, join the military. The Bill of Rights was written in 1791, saying that it gives you the right to own various [unnecessary] weapons is ridiculous! Times have changed, the context has changed, live with it.
Yes it does in fact give me thr right to own any gun I want. You could own a cannon in 1791, why not a fully automatic weapon?

Using your own logic against you then woulden't that make the entire constitution null and void? Since the founding fathers could never have imagined tele communications, video camera's or the internet, maybe we should restrict the press to just printed paper!

Perhaps freedom of speach is now out of context, we should just be limited to word of mouth and printed paper since there is no way they could forsee the internet, tele comunications, and photography!!

Also, the second ammendment was put in place so we could protec our selfs FROM our government read up on it a bit. The founding fathers would want us to have everything and anything that the government has so that we can adiquitly protect our selfs when the time comes(which may be sooner than we think).

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No, I didn't. But perhaps that's because people still have guns after they banned them...

I'm not sure banning guns now would solve anything. People would just hide them. But had we banned guns from the start, I doubt school shootings would have happened.

Either way, I'm on the fence. It's pretty frustrating that people can go on a killing rampage and then just kill themselves. Leaves me feeling pretty helpless.
Still woulden't have worked, people would steal guns from the government, import them, no matter what you do prohibition DOES NOT WORK!!

Then get a CWL, convince you teachers to get one, petition the the validity of the "no guns allowed sign" at your school. There are some many things we could do to protect ourselfs, but the government knows what best for us I guess(Sound like socialism anyone?)

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Still woulden't have worked, people would steal guns from the government, import them, no matter what you do prohibition DOES NOT WORK!!

Then get a CWL, convince you teachers to get one, petition the the validity of the "no guns allowed sign" at your school. There are some many things we could do to protect ourselfs, but the government knows what best for us I guess(Sound like socialism anyone?)

I don't think that's entirely true. There's never been a school shooting in China...
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There's never been a school shooting in China...
...that has been reported.

You might also want to be careful talking about how well gun control works in china...

"China established gun control in 1935; from 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents were exterminated."



Food for thought for everyone:

"The gun control debate generally ignores the historical and philosophical underpinnings of the Second amendment. The Second amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand. It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny. The Founders knew that unarmed citizens would never be able to overthrow a tyrannical government as they did. They envisioned government as a servant, not a master, of the American people. The muskets they used against the British Army were the assault rifles of that time. It is practical, rather than alarmist, to understand that unarmed citizens cannot be secure in their freedoms."

This is not an Idle thread or something I say without meaning it 100%. If The United States government ever enacts a total gun ban and begins illegal seizures of firearms I will pack up my **** and leave the country, if this country ever gets to that point, I have zero interest in being a part of the ****storm that will follow whether it be a revolution or total suppression of civil liberties. I'm not saying they will, or even that it's likely to happen, but if it does, I'm gone.
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...that has been reported.

You might also want to be careful talking about how well gun control works in china...

"China established gun control in 1935; from 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents were exterminated."



Food for thought for everyone:

"The gun control debate generally ignores the historical and philosophical underpinnings of the Second amendment. The Second amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand. It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny. The Founders knew that unarmed citizens would never be able to overthrow a tyrannical government as they did. They envisioned government as a servant, not a master, of the American people. The muskets they used against the British Army were the assault rifles of that time. It is practical, rather than alarmist, to understand that unarmed citizens cannot be secure in their freedoms."

This is not an Idle thread or something I say without meaning it 100%. If The United States government ever enacts a total gun ban and begins illegal seizures of firearms I will pack up my **** and leave the country, if this country ever gets to that point, I have zero interest in being a part of the ****storm that will follow whether it be a revolution or total suppression of civil liberties. I'm not saying they will, or even that it's likely to happen, but if it does, I'm gone.
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Well if you want to split hairs the M16 TEHCNICLY isn't an assult rifle.

5.56x45mm =/= 7.62x39mm
the AR-15/M16/Mini-14 shoot the .223/5.56

The SKS and AK both shoot the 7.62x39 (iirc on the sks)

I didn't say that the SKS/AK used the same bullets as the AR/M16/Mini
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Yes it does in fact give me thr right to own any gun I want. You could own a cannon in 1791, why not a fully automatic weapon?

Using your own logic against you then woulden't that make the entire constitution null and void? Since the founding fathers could never have imagined tele communications, video camera's or the internet, maybe we should restrict the press to just printed paper!

Perhaps freedom of speach is now out of context, we should just be limited to word of mouth and printed paper since there is no way they could forsee the internet, tele comunications, and photography!!

Also, the second ammendment was put in place so we could protec our selfs FROM our government read up on it a bit. The founding fathers would want us to have everything and anything that the government has so that we can adiquitly protect our selfs when the time comes(which may be sooner than we think).

you post =/= logic
Forget the cannon, you could own an entire ship of war privately.
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war ships are worthless without cannons
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From my cold dead hands obama...
This is pretty much the stupidest mentality I have ever had the chance to laugh at.

Not because 99% of the people that say this would never actually stand up to the SWAT team that would eventually come for you, but because the government would give people who already own these guns amnesty in the form of a grandfather clause, just like they did for people that owned fully-automatic weapons before they were banned.

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Yes it does in fact give me thr right to own any gun I want. You could own a cannon in 1791, why not a fully automatic weapon?

Using your own logic against you then woulden't that make the entire constitution null and void? Since the founding fathers could never have imagined tele communications, video camera's or the internet, maybe we should restrict the press to just printed paper!

Perhaps freedom of speach is now out of context, we should just be limited to word of mouth and printed paper since there is no way they could forsee the internet, tele comunications, and photography!!

Also, the second ammendment was put in place so we could protec our selfs FROM our government read up on it a bit. The founding fathers would want us to have everything and anything that the government has so that we can adiquitly protect our selfs when the time comes(which may be sooner than we think).

you post =/= logic
Sigh.

Even if the second amendment restricted free speech to JUST the printed press (which it doesn't, and you are an ignoranus for thinking anyone would construe it as such), the ninth amendment states that the rights listed in the constitution shall not be construed to deny other rights retained by the people. What should this mean to a simpleton such as yourself? It means that fundamental rights will not be deprived simply because they are not listed in the constitution.

I really doubt that since you didn't know the authors of the bills of rights included an amendment to protect unforeseeable rights that would come about in the future that you are one we should trust when seeking the intent authors had when writing such a historical document.
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Well if you want to split hairs the M16 TEHCNICLY isn't an assult rifle.

5.56x45mm =/= 7.62x39mm
The caliber doesn't determine what a rifle's classification is, just the type of cartridge. An "intermediate" cartridge (between a pistol and a full rifle) is generally an AR cartridge. Pretty much anything smaller than a 7.62x54 and larger than a pistol round. My understanding is that for a weapon to be an assault rifle it needs to be burst or full auto capable. And if you want to "split hairs", an M16 would be an assault rifle... an M16 is full auto or burst, an AR15 is generally a semi auto civilian version. The M16 is a military rifle. I love when all the "gun experts" come out on the internet.
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