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Old 03-26-2008, 09:20 PM #1
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divisions in colorado

who here thinks that there should be a definite novice (1 to 3 years tourny) divisions so that you could play against your own experience level?
keep the rookies to the rookies, the novice to novice, and the am players to the am players. no players dropping down to fill spots

this way once you bump from rookie you would not get thrown into the am/open divsion until you have a chance to up your game.
i think it is wrong to put the teams just comming out of rookie into an open class.
this way you don't have to put up with the semi pro and pro players either or the bs that comes with most of them

i would like to know what you novice players/ teams think
if i am wrong then oh well, if not lets get the field owners and teams to go this way.
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:49 PM #2
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this would be great for next season!

Or even this season. We played rookie last year( but blitz allows 2 years rookie, and we feel we are not ready for open)

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Old 03-26-2008, 11:17 PM #3
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I think each year you should bump up, 1 year in rookie, 1 year in novice, and then open.
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Old 03-26-2008, 11:18 PM #4
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i think it should be a little harsher. maybe like 0-1 years for rookie, 2-3 for novice, 3-5 for am, etc.

edit: or shellshocks idea.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:32 AM #5
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who here thinks that there should be a definite novice (1 to 3 years tourny) divisions so that you could play against your own experience level?
keep the rookies to the rookies, the novice to novice, and the am players to the am players. no players dropping down to fill spots

this way once you bump from rookie you would not get thrown into the am/open divsion until you have a chance to up your game.
i think it is wrong to put the teams just comming out of rookie into an open class.
this way you don't have to put up with the semi pro and pro players either or the bs that comes with most of them

i would like to know what you novice players/ teams think
if i am wrong then oh well, if not lets get the field owners and teams to go this way.
With out fail this needs to happen, the issue are clear. Some field owners just don't give a rip and will do what they want when they want. we as the players need to be the ones to put a stop the sandbagging and BSing that is happen here and has gone on for years. I feel that the frame work is here with the http://www.freewebs.com/copbplayerclass/index.htm
but I will leave that up to the players to questions and to talk about it. Let me know what you all think and I will be more the happy to talk to the owner of the site.
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:17 AM #6
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I think it is a good idea for next season, maybe too late for this season as teams are getting set up or are already set up. The only issue I see is if there is enough teams in each division to make the tourneys fun, we all want to play alot on tourney days and it sucks if you play 10 games against 2 teams cause only 3 in your division show up.
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Old 03-27-2008, 12:00 PM #7
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That's true ^^^. But blitz pulls 30 teams for some events so this isn't too big of a deal. IDK though.
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Old 03-27-2008, 12:21 PM #8
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Sandbagging sucks.. But so does having an AM Divi (only one I really think would be effected) with only 3 or 4 teams. I might be wrong though... I've been outta the loop for a while.
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Old 03-27-2008, 12:34 PM #9
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i agree , i came up from rookie last year and now i'm in open playing against DA and shooters , i not *****en but its just hard thats all but oh well
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Old 03-27-2008, 01:55 PM #10
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That's true ^^^. But blitz pulls 30 teams for some events so this isn't too big of a deal. IDK though.
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Sandbagging sucks.. But so does having an AM Divi (only one I really think would be effected) with only 3 or 4 teams. I might be wrong though... I've been outta the loop for a while.
I think its still needed in CO, bottom line if you build it they will come

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i agree , i came up from rookie last year and now i'm in open playing against DA and shooters , i not *****en but its just hard thats all but oh well
good for you way to man up, this will only make you stronger, and a better player
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Old 03-27-2008, 08:46 PM #11
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This is how it used to be. I dunno how long everyone else in here has been playing, but when I was doing tourneys there used to be rookie, novice and am teams, but they'd only play against their own division.

I hope to get back in to shape and up and running in the next month. Just gotta get a gun and a hopper and I'm out there playing again. Would definitely love to start doing tourneys again before the end of the year.
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Old 03-27-2008, 08:55 PM #12
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even if blitz does pull 30 teams it is still geared against novice players.
if there are guys/teams that qualify for novice then they should be able to play novice
if there are only a couple of am teams then so be it
they will only have a few teams to play, the novice teams should not have it held against them
there are plenty of players here that qualify for the am division (more than 3 years tourny) and are not pro or semi pro
if the people that manage those players (you know who you are) just play them where they belong all the divisions would be fair and plenty
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Old 03-27-2008, 09:51 PM #13
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I agree rookie nov and open


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Old 03-28-2008, 10:28 AM #14
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even if blitz does pull 30 teams it is still geared against novice players.
if there are guys/teams that qualify for novice then they should be able to play novice
if there are only a couple of am teams then so be it
they will only have a few teams to play, the novice teams should not have it held against them
there are plenty of players here that qualify for the am division (more than 3 years tourny) and are not pro or semi pro
if the people that manage those players (you know who you are) just play them where they belong all the divisions would be fair and plenty
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Ok again the problem lies in the amount of teams in each division, even if you have 500 rookes and 300 novice teams but only 2 AM teams the AM teams need someone to play, dont want to pit them against the Rookie teams so it is the Nov teams that get to play them. Then if you get it all hashed out so there are enough teams in each division what happens if some teams dont show and the next tourney you are stuck with the same issue, a division with 2-3 teams and the suck for a playing day. The best way to combat that is to get a good series or 2 going again to attract more teams and for the next couple years the Nov teams are going to have to suck it up and play the AM teams. So in the prelims the Nov and AM will most likely be grpd together and finals they can be seperated. It should be fine as long as the Nov teams play the same number of AM teams.
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Old 03-28-2008, 11:59 AM #16
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Ok again the problem lies in the amount of teams in each division, even if you have 500 rookes and 300 novice teams but only 2 AM teams the AM teams need someone to play, dont want to pit them against the Rookie teams so it is the Nov teams that get to play them. Then if you get it all hashed out so there are enough teams in each division what happens if some teams dont show and the next tourney you are stuck with the same issue, a division with 2-3 teams and the suck for a playing day. The best way to combat that is to get a good series or 2 going again to attract more teams and for the next couple years the Nov teams are going to have to suck it up and play the AM teams. So in the prelims the Nov and AM will most likely be grpd together and finals they can be seperated. It should be fine as long as the Nov teams play the same number of AM teams.
oh you mean like how they do it in the NPPL were you play one or two teams higher then you I totally agree with you here, but the end result is we have to know who qualifies for what division. Clearly we have novice players and teams that have no business in that division. Also I have heard the argument that open/am players need more prize money to get more team, I think that at this time we call that idea a loser as we have not seen a increase in the division for years, the same teams play the same division every time. there has been 3-4 max am/open teams for the last 3 years, we as the playing public have to put a stop to the BS. its simple really if everyone plays the division everyone qualifies for then everyone wins in the long run.
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Old 03-28-2008, 12:30 PM #17
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I agree with that line of reasoning, I guess the only real way to hash it all out would be to have a meeting of at least team captains if not entire teams (yeah in know getting something like that to actually happen is a pipedream) and figure out who belongs in what division on a player level. Then ppl could network together and if an Am level player was on a Nov team, they could find an Am team at that time and so on. I feel the sport has to grow again in CO to at least the size of the old MSTS days before anymore happens though not to mention better coordination between fields/tourneys to maximize player turnout. Maybe we could start a sticky here for CO players in need of a team or teams in need of players. We would also need the majority of CO players to be on this forum, or any one forum.
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Old 03-29-2008, 02:35 AM #19
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Old 03-30-2008, 11:45 PM #21
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anyone else?
we need to get together on this
we need to show the field owners that this is what we want
we spend the money, we should have some say on what is fair
come on people
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