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Old 03-21-2008, 03:53 PM #1
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Other Planets in solar system heating up too

Must be all those SUV's the martians are driving around.

Could this mean global warming isn't our fault? If Mars, the moon of Triton, and other planets are heating up, wouldn't this just mean the sun is getting hotter?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...warming_2.html

http://www.livescience.com/environme...s_warming.html

Earth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto and other worlds in our solar system, leading some scientists to speculate that a change in the sun’s activity is the common thread linking all these baking events.

Others argue that such claims are misleading and create the false impression that rapid global warming, as Earth is experiencing, is a natural phenomenon.

"Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface.

He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.

But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.

Most scientists now fear that the massive amount of carbon dioxide humans are pumping into the air will lead to a catastrophic rise in Earth's temperatures, dramatically raising sea levels as glaciers melt and leading to extreme weather worldwide.

Abdussamatov remains contrarian, however, suggesting that the sun holds something quite different in store.

"The solar irradiance began to drop in the 1990s, and a minimum will be reached by approximately 2040," Abdussamatov said. "It will cause a steep cooling of the climate on Earth in 15 to 20 years."

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Old 03-21-2008, 04:03 PM #2
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I wish we had global warming...its snowing in March here.
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Old 03-21-2008, 04:10 PM #3
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We've discussed it here before. The sheeple will continue to go with science that isn't backed by any real data that doesn't meet a burdon of proof standard.
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Old 03-21-2008, 04:22 PM #4
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Old 03-21-2008, 04:23 PM #5
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We've discussed it here before. The sheeple will continue to go with science that isn't backed by any real data that doesn't meet a burdon of proof standard.

Sorry, I'm still a bit new and didn't see the other threads.

I'll just go ahead and give myself the before anyone else can.
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Old 03-21-2008, 05:08 PM #6
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We've discussed it here before. The sheeple will continue to go with science that isn't backed by any real data that doesn't meet a burdon of proof standard.
Is that an argument for (human caused) global warming or against it?
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Is that an argument for (human caused) global warming or against it?
Against it.
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Old 03-21-2008, 05:21 PM #8
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We've hardly been able to accurately record these things for more than a couple decades. Concluding that human activity in the last couple decades has caused a dramatic climate change throughout the world is absurd.
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just another topic created by extreme liberals to mold the minds of the weak and generate another un-factual running topic
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Old 03-21-2008, 05:26 PM #11
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*psst* global warming is a hoax
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There is no such thing. Not wanting to sound like a nut but it's just a plot by the liberal media to get people to vote democratic. Where I live the last 2 years have been some of the coldest in the last century. Last year my school was cancelled for 2 days because it was -30 degrees.

Al Gore lied to you!! [/rant]
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Remember that Global "warming" is a misnomer that more accurately means climate change when you refute the idea by claiming colder weather.
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Old 03-21-2008, 05:33 PM #13
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QFT.

There is no such thing. Not wanting to sound like a nut but it's just a plot by the liberal media to get people to vote democratic. Where I live the last 2 years have been some of the coldest in the last century. Last year my school was cancelled for 2 days because it was -30 degrees.

Al Gore lied to you!! [/rant]
you know Al Gore invented the internet [/sarcasm]
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Old 03-21-2008, 05:38 PM #14
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QFT.

There is no such thing. Not wanting to sound like a nut but it's just a plot by the liberal media to get people to vote democratic. Where I live the last 2 years have been some of the coldest in the last century. Last year my school was cancelled for 2 days because it was -30 degrees.

Al Gore lied to you!! [/rant]
LOL, the liberal media is always trying to bring down the jesus freaks right?

Not saying that global warming is anywhere near conclusive, but one of the MAJOR tenants of global warming is more extreme inclement weather....such as colder winters and more extreme weather systems.
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I've gone from caring to being completely apathetic. With no one person in control of a logical explanation for the entire issue I see no point in aligning myself with either side if a side even exists.
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Damn, it's a neo-con love fest in here.

The neo-cons in Washington are never wrong about anything right? Oh yeah, Iraq war.
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Damn, it's a neo-con love fest in here.

The neo-cons in Washington are never wrong about anything right? Oh yeah, Iraq war.
That doesn't have anything to do with this thread. If you wanna ***** about conservatives and the war, do it somewhere else.
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Old 03-21-2008, 07:46 PM #19
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Damn conservative agenda....spreading their propaganda against global warming. Down with the SUVs! Support your local ALF and ELF chapter!

But seriously....that is an interesting article. National Geographic is a pretty respected organization.
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Friends, it has become clear to me that the apocalypse is near. Someone along the line is going to suggest we're polluting our solar system with gases. Somewhere along the line, they'll blame conventional thought, and we'll all be torn to shreads. These madmen who jump the gun on conclusions.

Interesting read.
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:38 PM #21
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Well, if this whole thing pans out this way, can you really blame people? Here you have the most respected scientists world over saying the data points to a single conclusion.

edit: Although I do have to giggle at conservatives feeling triumph over this, when they only grasped the anti-man made global warming stance because it opposed the liberals', not because they thoroughly researched it scientifically for themselves or were able to prove the science wrong through their own research.

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