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Old 03-21-2008, 02:48 PM #64
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ive watched 24 minutes and thats all im going to watch. sue me.
hey your the one ok with NOT being open minded not me
that's something you have to live with, and trust me you won't get far thinking like that
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Old 03-21-2008, 02:50 PM #65
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hey your the one ok with NOT being open minded not me
that's something you have to live with, and trust me you won't get far thinking like that
Wait, I must have read that incorrectly. Did you just claim to be open-minded?

Hahaha.

Lolz, thanks.
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Old 03-21-2008, 02:51 PM #66
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Wait, I must have read that incorrectly. Did you just claim to be open-minded?

Hahaha.

Lolz, thanks.
that's the difference conservatives like to listen to all the facts and figures and liberals don't give a ****...watch the video please
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Does anyone else think lables like this actually ironicly defeat their own purpose?
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Old 03-21-2008, 02:54 PM #68
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that's the difference conservatives like to listen to all the facts and figures and liberals don't give a ****...watch the video please
And there you go, broad sweeping generalizations.
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Old 03-21-2008, 02:54 PM #69
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And there you go, broad sweeping generalizations.
watch the video then I'll talk to you
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Old 03-21-2008, 02:56 PM #70
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Does anyone else think lables like this actually ironicly defeat their own purpose?
Yup, very ironically in this case.
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I am quite conservative, but I am somewhat curious as to why people support politicians with liberal policies.

I am curious primarily because these politicians for the most part would advocate an increase in taxes (as the democrat-controlled congress just did by passing of the FY 09 Budget Resolution in Congress) to fuel a 'big government' and all that comes with it (entitlement programs, increased government spending overall, ect.). To me that just doesn't seem like what the majority of Americans want. (and it arguably instigates a return to socialist ideology ... but thats for another thread I suppose ...)

The main reason I can think of for liberal candidates to succeed in the political arena is the fact that liberal candidates associated with the DNC often cling to special interests such as: global warming (caused by humans); environmentalism; feminism (maybe not so much anymore, but I believe it is still present through abortion and other issues); affirmative action; multiculturalism; and a whole host of other issues.

Is it the special interest issues which bring you to vote for a democrat or am I wrong in assuming that the majority of Americans want a 'big government' economic policy. Please try to keep this under control, as I would like to hear from someone with their reason for supporting a democratic politician so I could better understand their point of view.

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Thinking realistically, there are no longer strong political groups, but rather that of 'strong ideological movements'!


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Just like you watched the whole version of Reverend Wright's Sermon(s).

At least his version was kept entirely in context.
I listened to Obama's whole speech LIVE at work off CNN's website
I've seen a lot of Wright's Sermons granted they may have been taken out of context.
Please post the full sermon so i can watch it Adema
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hey your the one ok with NOT being open minded not me
that's something you have to live with, and trust me you won't get far thinking like that
im closed minded because i only watched half of a nearly hour long speech of complete nonsense? excuse me for having better things to do.

oh, and that response and all your subsequent ones have been the epitome of open-mindedness

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I listened to Obama's whole speech LIVE at work off CNN's website
I've seen a lot of Wright's Sermons granted they may have been taken out of context.
Please post the full sermon so i can watch it Adema
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ
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Old 03-21-2008, 03:04 PM #74
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watch the video then I'll talk to you
I watched 5 minutes of it and understand why that man is a political humorist, his overreaching generalization and blatant mischaracterizations had me busting a gut.

America didn't have an Imperialist Empire? My ***.

I was busting a gut.

I don't really understand how anyone could watch that and agree with his statements.

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I listened to Obama's whole speech LIVE at work off CNN's website
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Please post the full sermon so i can watch it Adema
http://baldeagle08.wordpress.com/200...on-in-context/
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I watched 5 minutes of it and understand why that man is a political humorist, his overreaching generalization and blatant mischaracterizations had me busting a gut.

America didn't have an Imperialist Empire? My ***.

I was busting a gut.

I don't really understand how anyone could watch that and agree with his statements.


http://baldeagle08.wordpress.com/200...on-in-context/
ok I'm about to watch it but it saddens me you didn't listen to the whole video i posted, but then again like a true liberal you reject all facts that counter your own view and create your own and use them against the people that go against you
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some of us do vote democrat because its really hard to support the pro-business agenda of the Right, while we look around and watch the Average American get ****ed in the *** by the special interests.
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ok I'm about to watch it but it saddens me you didn't listen to the whole video i posted, but then again like a true liberal you reject all facts that counter your own view and create your own to use them against the people that go against you
again with the open-mindedness...
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What about the millions of other companies who don't break the law and provide jobs and capital to this country?
I don't care about the small businesses. its the multi-national companies that over extend themselves and then ask for government to bail them out. mind you the government doesn't help the common people that invest in the businesses and use those investments to fund things like retirement funds or anything. as long as the CEO's are taken care of.

I also take offense to the fact that these people are in the regular practice of Buying politicians.


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liberals don't think of the family owned businesses that are in EVERY town in America
These people work just as hard as everyone else that is scratching a living in this country. I only take offense to the big business.
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ok I'm about to watch it but it saddens me you didn't listen to the whole video i posted, but then again like a true liberal you reject all facts that counter your own view and create your own and use them against the people that go against you
No, I reject broad sweeping statements, like "Everything Democrats think is wrong"

Once, someone makes a statement like that I lose any respect for their opinion. I'm not going to waste my time and listen to someone spout their completely one-sided viewpoint of the world.

Their were no facts in that speech only unsubstantiated opinions and generalizations, which don't foster debate only animosity. I'm sorry that you are sad because I didn't feel like listening to such dribble.

If you think liberals are the one who are rejecting all the facts and are stuck inside their conception of the world, you really might want to consider yourself a liberal.
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These people work just as hard as everyone else that is scratching a living in this country. I only take offense to the big business.
they don't just tax big businesses they tax the small successfully businesses JUST as hard because guess what? it's based on how much money you make

I know a lot of small business owners that are paying upwards of 40% of their income in taxes. These are my neighbors, people that work hard, people that stayed up all night studying during college while others were doing keg stands so they could make a ton of money one day, and what do we do to these people? We tax the **** outta them and give the money to the people that had a good time when they were young...people that instead of focusing on their future just lived for the day.

Is this the right thing to do?
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they don't just tax big businesses they tax the small successfully businesses JUST as hard because guess what? it's based on how much money you make
don't give me that ****.

Big Business has written more loop holes and tex credits that they can earn into the tax code than anyone else. its the small business owners that are really getting screwed.

like I said. I sympathize with small business owners. I take offense to the large Mutli-Nationals.
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don't give me that ****.

Big Business has written more loop holes and tex credits that they can earn into the tax code than anyone else. its the small business owners that are really getting screwed.

like I said. I sympathize with small business owners. I take offense to the large Mutli-Nationals.
Without "multi-nationals" you probably wouldn't be sitting there on the internet. You wouldn't have your tennis shoes, which were probably made by a 10 year old girl in some eastern Asian country for $0.10 a day. You wouldn't have a car to drive. You wouldn't have 99% of your stuff. Large corporations make the world go round, and drive the economy up or down.

What would happen to our economy if Coca Cola, Microsoft, Home Depot or other large corporations went under? God forbid if Walmart suddenly went under. The world economy would take a hit so hard, it'd take years to recover. The government gives them tax breaks, for the most part, to keep business good and keep the economy up.

I sympathize with small business owners and actually prefer to go to smaller businesses because the service is better. Sure you have to pay a little bit more money, but you'll get someone other than a teenage kid who knows nothing about the products trying to sell you the most expensive thing because its the most expensive.
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What would happen to our economy if Coca Cola, Microsoft, Home Depot or other large corporations went under?
probably nothing except that the local exconomies instead of the big box stores would rise again.

I don't see a problem.
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