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Old 03-20-2008, 11:27 PM #1
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Reason for being liberal?

I am quite conservative, but I am somewhat curious as to why people support politicians with liberal policies.

I am curious primarily because these politicians for the most part would advocate an increase in taxes (as the democrat-controlled congress just did by passing of the FY 09 Budget Resolution in Congress) to fuel a 'big government' and all that comes with it (entitlement programs, increased government spending overall, ect.). To me that just doesn't seem like what the majority of Americans want. (and it arguably instigates a return to socialist ideology ... but thats for another thread I suppose ...)

The main reason I can think of for liberal candidates to succeed in the political arena is the fact that liberal candidates associated with the DNC often cling to special interests such as: global warming (caused by humans); environmentalism; feminism (maybe not so much anymore, but I believe it is still present through abortion and other issues); affirmative action; multiculturalism; and a whole host of other issues.

Is it the special interest issues which bring you to vote for a democrat or am I wrong in assuming that the majority of Americans want a 'big government' economic policy. Please try to keep this under control, as I would like to hear from someone with their reason for supporting a democratic politician so I could better understand their point of view.

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Old 03-20-2008, 11:31 PM #2
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some of us do vote democrat because its really hard to support the pro-business agenda of the Right, while we look around and watch the Average American get ****ed in the *** by the special interests.
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Old 03-20-2008, 11:32 PM #3
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Conservatives strike me as far too closed minded and want the status quo to be preserved with what they are comfortable with. Society evolves, and inhibiting the natural progression because they want to impose their morals on other people is silly.

I don't see much of a reason to be economically liberal, however.
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Old 03-20-2008, 11:32 PM #4
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some of us do vote democrat because its really hard to support the pro-business agenda of the Right, while we look around and watch the Average American get ****ed in the *** by the special interests.
You are against being pro-business? That's an absolutely stupid policy.
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Old 03-20-2008, 11:36 PM #5
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You are against being pro-business? That's an absolutely stupid policy.
Yeah, because businesses ALWAYS look out for the average person before their profits. How could anyone be against such good-natured fellows?!

edit: I meant BIG-business also.
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Old 03-20-2008, 11:36 PM #6
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excuse me, I meant to throw the big in there.

pro big-business.
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Old 03-20-2008, 11:38 PM #7
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The words "conservative" and "liberal" are tossed around with false definitions these days. Being liberal means you are tolerant of things. It underlines the ideals of a true conservative belief. True conservatives believe in small government and unrestricted liberties of the people. They are the true Republicans.

John McCain is not a true Republican. He wishes for big government and the destruction of more of America's liberties in the name of destroying terrorism.

Don't be so quick to denounce or cling to a candidate just because the party sticker they wear. Cling to ideals and propositions you believe in. Don't cling to ideals and propositions just because they have a particular brand name.
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Old 03-20-2008, 11:45 PM #8
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You are against being pro-business? That's an absolutely stupid policy.
He speaking of such things as Corporate Welfare.

And I have a hard time voting for either party, but I am will side with the Dems, because I agree with their stances on social issues and Republicans are about as fiscally responsible as my 12 year old cousin at the mall.
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People are liberal because they think throwing money at things makes problems go away. A lot of them smarten up and understand that its a little more complicated than that and that there are real solutions, you just have to think outside the box.
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Old 03-20-2008, 11:54 PM #10
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Because people think throwing money at things makes problems go away. A lot of them smarten up and understand that its a little more complicated than that and that there are real solutions, you just have to think outside the box.
You are saying that you are liberal because they support less government spending? I would think that the facts would go against you, but I want to clarify this.
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You are saying that you are liberal because they support less government spending? I would think that the facts would go against you, but I want to clarify this.
No I'm not liberal. I support less government spending and less government intervention, so I'm libertarian.
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You are saying that you are liberal because they support less government spending? I would think that the facts would go against you, but I want to clarify this.
He was stating why others are often liberal.
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Old 03-20-2008, 11:59 PM #13
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No I'm not liberal. I support less government spending and less government intervention, so I'm libertarian.
Okay, thanks for the clarification.
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Old 03-21-2008, 12:01 AM #14
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No I'm not liberal. I support less government spending and less government intervention, so I'm libertarian.
lolz.

It's funny how meaning changes.
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lolz.

It's funny how meaning changes.
It truly is.

Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative
They all support one another.
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I am quite conservative, but I am somewhat curious as to why people support politicians with liberal policies.

I am curious primarily because these politicians for the most part would advocate an increase in taxes (as the democrat-controlled congress just did by passing of the FY 09 Budget Resolution in Congress) to fuel a 'big government' and all that comes with it (entitlement programs, increased government spending overall, ect.). To me that just doesn't seem like what the majority of Americans want. (and it arguably instigates a return to socialist ideology ... but thats for another thread I suppose ...)
As opposed to our current, "conservative" president who cuts taxes and keeps spending more and more! AWESOME!

I mostly agree with the above. The republican agenda is very pro big business and doesn't necessarily look out for the common person. I also disagree with many of their stances on moral issues, (gay marriage, abortion, etc.) I think there are much more important things than keeping gay people from getting married (like making sure everyone can afford to go to the doctor and keeping the dollar from tanking)
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Is it that hard to believe that some of us think government should try and help those in need? Sure, it might be socialism, but I don't care.
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Is it that hard to believe that some of us think government should try and help those in need? Sure, it might be socialism, but I don't care.
Depends on what they "need". And kudos to you for calling it socialism. Should we send social security checks to people who just had a family member pass away? Or should we just send checks to people who would literally die without them, like the disabled? And should we continue to build neighborhoods for the poor? I think the disabled are the only ones who should be receiving any kind of check from the government period.
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Old 03-21-2008, 12:37 AM #19
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Depends on what they "need". And kudos to you for calling it socialism. Should we send social security checks to people who just had a family member pass away? Or should we just send checks to people who would literally die without them, like the disabled? And should we continue to build neighborhoods for the poor? I think the disabled are the only ones who should be receiving any kind of check from the government period.
I think thats a good idea. The only other thing I would add to that would be brief compensation for a paycheck after being laid off by a company. This would add job security and increase the number of people who would be willing to take risks in order to make more money (and contribute more to our country's GDP). However, the government should compensate for only a short period of time and for only a fraction of the money which was being earned, as it would be unviable to do it any other way.
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Depends on what they "need". And kudos to you for calling it socialism. Should we send social security checks to people who just had a family member pass away? Or should we just send checks to people who would literally die without them, like the disabled? And should we continue to build neighborhoods for the poor? I think the disabled are the only ones who should be receiving any kind of check from the government period.
I received a Social Security check for 11 years from when my father passed on. If it wasn't for that my life would have been a hell of a lot more difficult, especially college.

Whether it's right or not for me to receive other's money is for you to judge, but I am truly thankful.
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The republican agenda is very pro big business and doesn't necessarily look out for the common person. I also disagree with many of their stances on moral issues, (gay marriage, abortion, etc.) I think there are much more important things than keeping gay people from getting married (like making sure everyone can afford to go to the doctor and keeping the dollar from tanking)
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Yeah, because businesses ALWAYS look out for the average person before their profits. How could anyone be against such good-natured fellows?!

All spoken like true liberals in my eyes. Big business is what drives our country forward in today's global markets. There is no evil conspiracy of big business towards individuals; its called economics. Its whats being driven out of this country and into other more business friendly markets. I agree without restrictions a business has, will, and screw individuals;ex: enron.
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