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Old 03-20-2008, 02:11 AM #43
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Ok so basically you have no source and are talking out of your ***? Come on dude, you can't say this war was justified or that we have any reason to be there just admit it. If I make a mistake I can admit it, it's alright it's not like you're Bush and sent them there.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

Another list, haven't totally confirmed but the short of it:

Contrary to ongoing reports by mainstream media outlets, WMDs have been found in Iraq, so reports New York Times best-selling author Richard Miniter in his new book, Disinformation.

Consider these shocking facts:

Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin

This is only a partial list of the deadly weapons Miniter reveals in his new book, Disinformation. Miniter systematically dissects the "No-WMD Myth" (how it started, and why it continues), as well as 21 other War-on-Terror myths perpetuated by the media.
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Old 03-20-2008, 08:47 AM #44
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Interesting, so why wouldnt the Pro Bush Fox News put this out. And if Bush wanted it on the news it would be, alot of his speeches and news conferences, like yesterday, are on tv.

Edit: That article is almost 2 years old, theyve had time to report on this.

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Anyone else notice that the terrible dictator Saddam, was actually a good thing for Iraq, in the sense that he held the country together? Granted he murdered his own countrymen, but now that we're in this "war" the death totals only increased.

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yeah getting an evil dictator out of office that openly practiced genocide on the kurds wasn't a good reason...i thought liberals were for human rights?
Considering more people are dying after you guys "rescued" the country, I'd say yeah it's a pretty crappy reason.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

Another list, haven't totally confirmed but the short of it:

Contrary to ongoing reports by mainstream media outlets, WMDs have been found in Iraq, so reports New York Times best-selling author Richard Miniter in his new book, Disinformation.

Consider these shocking facts:

Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin

This is only a partial list of the deadly weapons Miniter reveals in his new book, Disinformation. Miniter systematically dissects the "No-WMD Myth" (how it started, and why it continues), as well as 21 other War-on-Terror myths perpetuated by the media.
So the sum total of "WMDs" found in iraq is 17 chemical warheads? You realize that the average pool supply store has a bigger stockpile of WMDs than that, right?
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:07 AM #47
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Another day in Iraq, another dollar into the pocket of a War Profiteer/Military Industrialist's pocket.

heck yeah man Huntsville Alabama is booming right now because of the war
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:10 AM #48
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Anyone else notice that the terrible dictator Saddam, was actually a good thing for Iraq, in the sense that he held the country together? Granted he murdered his own countrymen, but now that we're in this "war" the death totals only increased.

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you can make the same argument for slavery and the civil war
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So the sum total of "WMDs" found in iraq is 17 chemical warheads? You realize that the average pool supply store has a bigger stockpile of WMDs than that, right?
pool supply stores have chemical warheads that can be put on a ballistic missile...holy ****
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you can make the same argument for slavery and the civil war
you know that every european country did away with slavery without a war, correct?
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pool supply stores have chemical warheads that can be put on a ballistic missile...holy ****
Pool supply stores stock chlorine, congratulations on grasping an analogy
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:35 AM #52
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you know that every european country did away with slavery without a war, correct?
SOOOO not true south africa under British rule is evidence

and i guess you forgot about the slave uprising during the roman empire
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:43 AM #53
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heck yeah man Huntsville Alabama is booming right now because of the war
I can only hope God sends a mighty hurricane to huntsville and rids the state of your evil ways.

btw, God is on my side. Not yours.

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Old 03-20-2008, 10:47 AM #54
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SOOOO not true south africa under British rule is evidence

and i guess you forgot about the slave uprising during the roman empire
neither "point" has anything to do with the context that i'm talking about. obviously we are talking about a parallel to the abolition of slavery in the US, when slavery was abolished in continental europe by individual countries beginning in the late 1700s, and certainly not what happened in the roman empire. i never said that they didn't have slavery, i said that when they finally chose to finally phase it out within their borders they did so without a war.
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Old 03-20-2008, 05:29 PM #55
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the only victory that can be achieved in Iraq now is a stabalization after we leave. Until we leave, i dont believe there can be stability. Honestly it will probably turn out like vietnam. Aka there is gonna be alot of violence, then people will settle down.
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SOOOO not true south africa under British rule is evidence

and i guess you forgot about the slave uprising during the roman empire
yeah lets Quote an African country, and a Mid evil society.

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Old 03-20-2008, 07:28 PM #57
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Pool supply stores stock chlorine, congratulations on grasping an analogy
Chlorine is WWI. Sarin, VX, etc are a much different animal. Pool supply stores don't have the starting points for nuclear weapons. Pool supply stores don't stock long range missles.

That list doesn't include the chemical/biological artillery shells that have also been found.

But really, I just find it humerous that it starts as "There are no WMDS" then progreesses to "Those WMDs are too small/found elsewhere/supplied by the US". Keep making excuses.
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Old 03-24-2008, 05:22 AM #58
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Still, why hasnt this come out on mainstream news networks, even FOX News doesn't carry this..
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The "War on Terror" is a bunch of b/s.

There is no reason why we should've gone in there.

There were no WMD's and even if there were, that shouldnt be a concern. If the US can have them, along with all their Allies, then other countries should also be able to have them.

Watch the Michael Moor Documentary (I'm sure most of you have) on Blackwater and the rest of the U.S. Hired Mercinaries.

Shows you what is really going on there.

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Five years on, few Iraq myths are as persistent as the notion that the Bush Administration invented a connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. Yet a new Pentagon report suggests that Iraq's links to world-wide terror networks, including al Qaeda, were far more extensive than previously understood.

Naturally, it's getting little or no attention. Press accounts have been misleading or outright distortions, while the Bush Administration seems indifferent. Even John McCain has let the study's revelations float by. But that doesn't make the facts any less notable or true.

WallStreet Journal http://online.wsj.com/article_print/...290958169.html
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Seems the administration would publicize this to death if it were true..
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They do what they want guys.... get used to it.

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Richard Reid, December 2001

A British citizen and self-professed follower of Osama bin Laden, Reid allegedly hid explosives inside his shoes aboard a flight from Paris to Miami and attempted to use a match to light the fuse in his shoe. The explosives were strong enough to cause damage to the plane if detonated. Caught in the act, Reid was apprehended on board the plane by the flight attendants with the assistance of passengers. FBI officials then took Reid into custody after the plane made an emergency landing at Boston's Logan Airport.[2]

Reid was found guilty of charges of terrorism in 2003, and a U.S. federal court sentenced him to life imprisonment.[3]

Jose Padilla, May 2002

U.S. officials arrested Padilla in May 2002 at O'Hare Airport in Chicago as he returned to the United States from Pakistan, initially charging him with being an enemy combatant and planning to use a "dirty bomb" (an explosive laced with radioac*tive material) in an attack against America.[4] Prior to his conviction, Padilla brought a case against the federal government stating that he had been denied the right of habeas corpus (the right of an individual to petition against his or her imprisonment). The U.S. Supreme Court, in a 54 decision, found that the case had been filed improperly.[5] In 2005, the government officially indicted Padilla for conspiring with Islamic terrorist groups.[6]

In August 2007, Padilla was found guilty by a civilian jury after a three-month trial and a day and a half of deliberations.

Lackawanna Six, September 2002

When the FBI arrested Sahim Alwan, Yahya Goba, Yasein Taher, Faysal Galab, Shafal Mosed, and Mukhtar al-Bakri, the press dubbed them the "Lackawanna Six" (also the "Buffalo Six" or "Buf*falo Cell"). Five of the six had been born and raised in Lackawanna, New York.[7] The six Amer*ican citizens of Yemeni descent were arrested for conspiring with terrorist groups. They had stated that they were going to Pakistan to attend a reli*gious training camp but instead attended an al-Qaeda "jihadist" camp.

All six pled guilty in 2003 to providing support to al-Qaeda. Faysal Galab received a seven-year sen*tence. Sahim Alwan got seven and a half years, while Yesein Taher and Shafal Mosed both received eight-year prison sentences. Mukhtar al-Bakri, the first to plead guilty, received a 10-year sentence, as did Yahya Goba.[8]

Iyman Faris, May 2003

A naturalized U.S. citizen originally from Kash*mir and living in Columbus, Ohio, Iyman Faris was arrested for conspiring to commit a terrorist act. He was suspected of planning to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.[9] The New York City Police Department had learned about the plot and increased police surveillance around the bridge. Faced with this additional security, Faris and his superiors decided to cancel the attack.[10]

Faris pled guilty to conspiracy and providing material support to al-Qaeda. During his sentencing trial, he stated that he was innocent and had admit*ted a role in the plot to FBI agents only in order to trick the agents and secure a book deal. Faris was sentenced in Federal District Court to 20 years, the maximum allowed under his plea agreement.[11]

Virginia "Jihad" Network, June 2003

In Alexandria, Virginia, 11 men were arrested for weapons counts and for violating the Neutrality Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens and residents from attacking countries with which the United States is at peace. Of these 11 men, four pled guilty. Upon further investigation, the other seven members of the group were indicted on additional charges of conspiring to support terrorist organizations. They were found to have connections with al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Lashkar-i-Taiba, a terrorist organization that targets the Indian government.[12] The authori*ties stated that the Virginia men had used paintball games as a form of training and preparation for bat*tle.[13] The group had also acquired surveillance and night vision equipment and wireless video cameras.[14]

The spiritual leader of the group, Ali al-Timimi, was found guilty of soliciting individuals to assault the United States and was sentenced to life in prison. Ali Asad Chandia received 15 years for sup*porting Lashkar-i-Taiba but maintains his inno*cence.[15] Randoll Todd Royer, Ibrahim al-Hamdi, Yong Ki Kwon, Khwaja Mahmoud Hasan, Muhammed Aatique, and Donald T. Surratt all pled guilty and were sentenced to prison terms.[16] Masoud Khan, Seifullah Chapman, and Hammad Adur-Raheem were found guilty at trial.[17]

Dhiren Barot, August 2004

A terrorist cell under the leadership of Dhiren Barot was arrested for plotting to attack the New York Stock Exchange and other financial institu*tions in New York, Washington, and Newark, New Jersey, and later accused of planning attacks in England. The plots included a "memorable black day of terror" with the employment of a "dirty bomb."[18] A July 2004 police raid on Barot's house in Pakistan discovered a number of incriminating documents in files on a laptop computer that included instructions for building car bombs.[19]

Dhiren Barot pled guilty and was convicted in the United Kingdom for conspiracy to commit mass murder.

James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj, August 2004

James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj were arrested for plotting to bomb a subway station near Madison Square Garden in New York City before the Republican National Convention.[21] The New York City Police Departments Intelligence Division helped to conduct an investigation leading to the arrests. An undercover agent infiltrated the group, provided information to authorities, and later testi*fied against Elshafay and Siraj.[22]

Elshafay, a U.S. citizen, pled guilty and received a lighter sentence for testifying against his co-conspir*ator. He received five years. Shawhawar Matin Siraj was sentenced to 30 years in prison.[23]

Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain, August 2004

Two leaders of an Albany, New York, mosque were charged with plotting to purchase a shoulder-fired grenade launcher to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat.[24] An investigation by the FBI, the Trea*sury Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and the local police contributed to the arrest. With the help of an informant, the FBI was able to set up a sting that lured Mohammed Hos*sain into a fake terrorist conspiracy.[25] Hossain brought Yassin Araf, a Kurdish refugee, as a wit*ness. The informant offered details of a fake terror*ist plot, claiming that he needed the missiles to murder a Pakistani diplomat in New York City. Both agreed to help.[26]

Both Aref and Hossain were found guilty of money laundering and conspiracy to conceal mate*rial support for terrorism.

Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat, June 2005

In Lodi, California, Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat, a Pakistani immigrant and his American son, were arrested after allegedly lying to the FBI about the son's attendance at an Islamic terrorist training camp in Pakistan.

The son, Hamid Hayat, was found guilty of sup*porting terrorism and was sentenced to 24 years.[27] Umer Hayat's trial ended in a mistrial. He later pled guilty to lying to a Customs agent in his attempt to carry $28,000 into Pakistan.

Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson, Hammad Riaz Samana, and Kevin James, August 2005

Arrested in Los Angeles, California, the mem*bers of the group were charged with conspiring to attack Los Angeles National Guard facilities, syna*gogues, and other targets in the Orange County area.[28] Kevin James allegedly founded a radical Islamic prison group and converted Levar Wash*ington and others to the group, which was known as JIS, short for Jamiyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh.[29] The JIS allegedly planned to finance their operations by robbing gas stations. After Washington and Patter*son were arrested for robberies, police and federal agents began a terrorist investigation when a search of Washington's apartment revealed a suspicious target list.[30]

All of the defendants pled not guilty and cur*rently await trial.
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