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Old 03-13-2008, 12:39 AM #1
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Dangerous Power G3/iQ Animation

well, here's how it all works:



compare to the threshold:

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=39457559

as you can see it's a very similar operation, but the bolt is much shorter and
the dump chamber is a lot smaller.

quick run down if you're not familiar with the threshold (or any other blow
forward spool):

- at rest the forward and rearward chambers are filled with air
at the same pressure (no LPR). the bolt is held rearward due to geometry
(more area for the pressure to act on rearwards).
- when the trigger is pulled the 3-way solenoid vents and releases the air in
the forward chamber. the air in the rearward (dump) chamber pushes the
bolt forward and once it clears the back cap it vents down the barrel and
fires the paintball.
- then the solenoid resets and the pressure pushes the bolt back to the
starting position.

*as with the threshold animation, the dump chamber/airlines/reg are not going
to completely empty like in the animation. it was just shown that way for
clarification. the pressure will drop considerably, but there will be a constant
supply of air from the reg during the firing cycle.

FYI, the iQ (Europe only) has a venturi-style bolt with a cupped face and
multiple air outlets. i drew it with an open face for simplicity and in the hopes
that the G3 (US only) will be made this way
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:41 AM #2
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vary nice
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:45 AM #3
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I'm confused, are there two orings now for post and pre travel. It might be a minor flaw in your animation or not, i dont know.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:48 AM #4
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one is the sail oring, and the one right in front of that is a non-sealing "bumper" oring.

BUT i did forget a non-moving oring in the internal bore of the gun

EDIT: re-read your post, and i think you may be referring to the crapiness of the artwork.
there is (1) sail oring and (1) front bumper oring. i actually drew the outside of the bolt
and then chopped out the middle so the orings don't look very round.
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Old 03-13-2008, 01:10 AM #5
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BUT i did forget a non-moving oring in the internal bore of the gun
fixed.
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Old 03-13-2008, 01:32 AM #6
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alot like the operating system of a SLG
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Old 03-13-2008, 01:35 AM #7
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alot like the operating system of a SLG
i would say the SLG operating system is a lot like the threshold
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:41 AM #10
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i would say the SLG operating system is a lot like the threshold
yeah that does sound better haha
intenseimage do u have an iQ? lets see a vid!
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Yeah sweet. i want one.

I loved my threshold, minus the bounce issue
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Old 03-13-2008, 02:53 PM #13
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well, here's how it all works:

as you can see it's a very similar operation, but the bolt is much shorter and
the dump chamber is a lot smaller.
So what is the significance of this? How will the reduction in size affect consistency and recharge, if it will at all?
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smaller cycling mass will also lower kick, not that the threshold had any lol
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Old 03-13-2008, 06:27 PM #15
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smaller air chamber means higher air pressure and lower dwell, so it will not be quite as smooth as the threshold which has a larger volume for the air chamber thus lowering operating pressure and a need to increase the dwell. It won't be a huge difference, just slightly harder on paint (which will be helped by the venturi which the threashold doesn't need) and a little louder.

Good job on the animation BTW
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all of that (including lucky) is basically speculation and vague generalizations.
you can't really tell how it is going to perform without using it or MUCH more
detailed analysis.

i just hope it shoots like the threshold
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Interchangeable back cap with threshold? If so, I could be interested in improving it.

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all of that (including lucky) is basically speculation and vague generalizations.
you can't really tell how it is going to perform without using it or MUCH more
detailed analysis.

i just hope it shoots like the threshold
Agreed. I'd like to see someone PACT chrono an iQ/G3 during high rates of fire.
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:12 PM #19
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Interchangeable back cap with threshold? If so, I could be interested in improving it.

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it would appear so. i'm sure intense could check
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And I just pulled them both ... doesnt look good ...

The Threshy bolt guide has a little bit longer of a "stem" and the stem is thinner than the one on the iQ as well
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