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Old 03-04-2008, 04:30 PM #1
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Larry, Josh, Jason, Scuba Steve, anyone on the Advisory Board. Rule Question

At the referee certification clinic this year we were told that paintball protective equipment is allowed this year. Our team is in the middle of placing an order with one of our sponsors, and our sponsor told us that the equipment we are ordering is not legal in the PSP or CFOA.

The equipment in question is the Empire Chest Vest


here is the description
http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/4090/

the other piece of equipment in question is the Empire Ground Pounder Pro Slider Pants.


here is the description
http://www.paintball-discounters.com..._020880par.htm

now in the 2008 5 man CFOA rulebook, section 4.17 states the following
4.17. Players may wear paintball sanctioned protective body armor. When wearing such items, no other layers will be permitted under jerseys or pants, i.e body armor & jersey 2 layers.

so my question is this. Are these items legal or not? I am not looking for a bajillions players opinions. I just need to know before we order these, and then my teams players get pulled on the battle field for a misinterpretation of the rules.

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Old 03-04-2008, 04:47 PM #2
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From my understanding chest protectors are to much padding.

But they have a good bit of new and redesigned chest protectors that are pretty much just pads for diving and stuff now.

I would like to know as well.

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Old 03-04-2008, 04:49 PM #3
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I know for a fact that the proto is okay (like Mark posted). That one was specifically mentioned.
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Old 03-04-2008, 04:49 PM #4
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Im pretty sure your able to wear both of thoose iteams. But only that and your jersey. Ex You cant wear that chest protector a tshirt then your jersey. I how ever think its dumb that people can wear that stuff but you cant have a wristband over your fill nipple on your tank, because thats excessive padding.
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Old 03-04-2008, 04:53 PM #5
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Yes I know for a fact that the Proto and Dye Chest Protectors are ok. They were specifically brought up in the referee clinic as being ok for wear. The Empire items however, were not brought up. So thats where my question comes from.

Also, by reading the rules, UnderArmour is not considered a layer. So if you wear UnderArmour, Chest Protector, and a jersey it would be considered 2 layers. Am I correct???
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:00 PM #6
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When wearing such items, no other layers will be permitted under jerseys or pants, i.e body armor & jersey 2 layers.
So i would say just armor and jersey only.
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:06 PM #7
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i think those proper villain guys just want padding so they can get a lot of bounces... lol!
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:12 PM #8
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listen to this guy. its ok Jason. Ill let the boss man deal with you. LOL....
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:19 PM #9
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By under armor he meant the brand, like the skin tight stuff.
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:19 PM #10
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Thankyou for your input Charles...As long as everyone on the reffing staff knows its legal, we shouldnt have any problems then.....
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Old 03-04-2008, 06:34 PM #11
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those are fine just as Charles stated so order away
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Old 03-04-2008, 08:08 PM #12
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i think those proper villain guys just want padding so they can get a lot of bounces... lol!

Not all of us have "natural bounce" built in. lol
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Not all of us have "natural bounce" built in. lol
you should, it helps....
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Old 03-04-2008, 09:03 PM #14
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No problem, the full reffing staff are all aware of this new rule. I can assure you that it is legal in the combinations I listed above, and only those listed above.
They must not be aware of te underarmour thing. Some of our players had to take off theirs at DSO.
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Old 03-04-2008, 09:08 PM #15
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what did they have on have on besides that because it was one of the things we discussed at ref meeting so they were aware that the padded under armour was allowed and one other layer now we did remove alot of extra head padding
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Old 03-04-2008, 09:46 PM #16
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The regular, non padded underarmor does not constitute a layer, and can be worn as described; underarmor, t shirt, jersey, but the padded paintball underarmor/chest protectors are considered a layer and are the only layer(it cancels out the regular, unpadded underarmor), other than your jersey permitted, meaning the padded underarmor and jersey is all you get.

All paintball brands of padded underarmor are acceptable, including Empire.

Hope that helps!

Rule 4.17 states That body armor and jersey - 2 layers. no other layers will be permitted.
UnderArmour is Not a layer.

I dont see anything about canceling out stuff Charles. Its pretty clear in 4.02 that UnderArmour and similar products are not considered a layer.


4.02. Players may not wear excessive amounts of clothing in order to create padding. Players are allowed 2 layers of clothing on their person. UnderArmour brand underwear and other similar products are NOT considered a layer due to the thinness of the material and the form-hugging construction of the product.



4.17. Players may wear paintball sanctioned protective body armor. When wearing such items, no other layers will be permitted under jerseys or pants, i.e body armor & jersey 2 layers.
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Old 03-04-2008, 10:25 PM #17
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you are right. Underarmor does not count as a layer in CFOA. Only in PSP. so you can wear Underarmor, chest pad, and jersey.
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Old 03-05-2008, 07:13 AM #18
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I was at the clinic and Larry said that Under Armor (the thin kind), slider shirts (or vests) and a jersey was OK. I asked Larry again at the morning captains meeting at Xball 1, he said it was OK. I wore the Empire shirt, Under Armor and my jersey at both DSO events with no problems. I do not like the Under Armor that much (makes me itch), so I will probably not be using it anymore. I am pretty sure that the PSP was going to count Under Armor as a layer, maybe that is what you are thinking about. On the slider pants not sure what the ruling would be if you wore them, knee pads, and padded knees in your regular pants. The other piece of protective gear that is legal this year are the Hundreth Monkey turtle caps, but i believe that would be the only layer you could have on your head.

But I am with you Atmosfearballer the best thing is for Larry or Jason to clear this up with a final word.
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:51 AM #19
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The final word on this situation is the rulebook, please refer to it as Budha did. However, I'll make it clear: protective clothing like the Empire, Proto and other protective gear is legal. The Hundredth Monkey caps are legal as long as they are worn as the only layer on the head.

There are two bottom lines here: first, that if you read the rulebook it clearly explains this situation, and two, that the referees inside the net make the final call: if they feel something is excess padding they're probably going to ask you to remove it and they have every right to do so.

If there are any further questions on this situation feel free to PM, email or call Larry or I, or Jason Key and we'll gladly answer any questions for you!

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Old 03-05-2008, 10:55 AM #20
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I would argue that my jersey is not a layer because it "form-hugs" my body!
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