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Old 03-01-2008, 03:03 PM #1
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MY tuning guide. Anyone can do it! for V2 and stock!

ill post my mini tuning guide here i guess.

NOTE, I HAVE ADAPTED AND MODIFIED THE GUIDE TO BE BOARD SPECIFIC. MOST PARTS WILL WORK WITH ANY BOARD, PARTS THAT ARE BOARD SPECIFIC WILL BE COLOR CODED.

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1 turn psi to 190
2 turn backcap out(stock dwell) until you chrono at your field limit
3 drop dwell a ms at a time or so till you see a drop in fps
a. Drop open dwell 2 blinks at a time until you see a significant drop in fps or inconsistancies/other problems. Then lower your closing dwell one blink at a time until your noid doesnt close upon firing. you'll know this has happened because the bolt will stay forward and the poppet will stay open. Dryfire/fire with paint a few times every time you do this to be sure that your noid will close in all situations.
b. Lower your bolt forward dwell until you see a significant drop in fps/have consistancy or bolt and/or poppet issues. then lower your bolt return firing with and without paint every increment to be sure your gun is still operating correctly.continue to lower until it doesnt operate correctly, then bump it back up to the setting that it did work at.
c. Lower your dwell until you see a significant drop in fps/have consistancy or bolt and/or poppet issues. then lower your closing dwell, firing with and without paint every few increments to be sure your gun is still closing the solenoid all the way.continue to lower until it doesnt operate correctly, then bump it back up to the setting that it did work at. youll know that you went too low when your bolt sticks forward and your poppet stays open until you detach the air source
d. lower your open dwell one increment at a time, with air, until your noid malunctions and doesnt send air to the bolt, meaning your bolt wont cycle. then bump it back up an increment or 2 until the noid will consistantly open at your psi with and without paint at low and high rof. then lower your dwell an increment at a time till you see a significant drop in fps. then bump it back up one setting. then start to lower your closing dwell till you go to low. youll know you went too low because your bolt will stay forward, and your poppet will stay open.
4 if you see no drop in fps by the time youre at 1 blink, lower your psi till you see a dropoff in fps.
5 once you see a drop due to either dwell or psi, turn whichever one dropped it back up .5 ms or 10 psi to be safe.
6 make sure youre at your field limit with decent consistency. if you see consistency issues or blowback issues, try upping your dwell and lowering your psi a little.

to be gentle on paint.
1 turn your dwell as high as it goes on your board.
2 turn your backcap 3 turns out
4 lower psi until you either
A stop cycling fully(feed 2 at a time to tell)
B get blowback (feed 2 at a time to tell)
C drop your fps below your field limit
5 if A happens, up your psi until you do cycle fully. if B happens up your psi until you stop the blowback. if C happens turn your psi back up until you are at your field limit
6 after all that, you should have a gun on very low pressure, but still has kick??? thats because it has about 4x the dwell it needs. lower your dwell one ms at a time till you see a drop in fps.
a. Drop open dwell 2 blinks at a time until you see a significant drop in fps or inconsistancies/other problems. Then lower your closing dwell one blink at a time until your noid doesnt close upon firing. you'll know this has happened because the bolt will stay forward and the poppet will stay open. Dryfire/fire with paint a few times every time you do this to be sure that your noid will close in all situations.
b. Lower your bolt forward dwell until you see a significant drop in fps/have consistancy or bolt and/or poppet issues. then lower your bolt return firing with and without paint every increment to be sure your gun is still operating correctly.continue to lower until it doesnt operate correctly, then bump it back up to the setting that it did work at.
c. Lower your dwell until you see a significant drop in fps/have consistancy or bolt and/or poppet issues. then lower your closing dwell, firing with and without paint every few increments to be sure your gun is still closing the solenoid all the way.continue to lower until it doesnt operate correctly, then bump it back up to the setting that it did work at. youll know that you went too low when your bolt sticks forward and your poppet stays open until you detach the air source
d. lower your open dwell one increment at a time, with air, until your noid malunctions and doesnt send air to the bolt, meaning your bolt wont cycle. then bump it back up an increment or 2 until the noid will consistantly open at your psi with and without paint at low and high rof. then lower your dwell an increment at a time till you see a significant drop in fps. then bump it back up one setting. then start to lower your closing dwell till you go to low. youll know you went too low because your bolt will stay forward, and your poppet will stay open.
7 once that drop happens bump it back up 1 ms. check for consistancy, half cycling, or blowback.
8 if you see consistency issues or blowback issues, try upping your dwell a little.
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thisll work for both stock bolt and v2. although with stock bolt youll see some half cycles before you go below 300 fps when going for lowest pressure.

tell me how it works for ya guys. worked for me. and only takes 15 minutes max.

If you use this guide and it works well for you, post
1 what bolt setup youre using
2 what your previous settings were
3 wether you were going for lowest psi or best shot count
4 what your new settings are
5 any comments. harder/softer on paint, any efficency gains/losses, chrono consistency gains etc.


COLD SETTINGS

now i realized that people couldnt get nearly the right settings i was using, because my lowest temp is 55* in the morning.

now ill make some to try to combat the stick some of you are facing.

for one, LIGHTLY lube your stuff. the way i can tell is with lurker it turns the orings shiny. with dow 33 you should have enough to make the oring groove look like a black and white square oring that fits perfectly, with none of the lube coming above the top most part of the oring. if you use too much lube yours stuff will stick and yur settings will suffer.

after lightly lubing be sure you dryfire a few hundred times to work in the lube.

now, the actual guide.

CLICK HERE FOR COLD GUIDE
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Old 03-01-2008, 03:25 PM #2
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i still can't do it. haha jk good guide
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Old 03-01-2008, 03:26 PM #3
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if you gotta, print it out and go step by step at the chrono. you may look like a scrub, but youll have a sweet shootin mini.
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Old 03-01-2008, 03:28 PM #4
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The second method i great guys. I used it for tuning my V2 bolt/spring kit today and I'm getting 280fps at 110 psi with 7 clicks dwell. This method works amazing!

Max, thanks for the tips last night.
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Old 03-01-2008, 03:43 PM #5
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YAY!! you finally came around to it! nice job man!
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Old 03-01-2008, 03:48 PM #6
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YAY!! you finally came around to it! nice job man!
actually this has been in the v2 and spring kit thread for at least 2 weeks.

good to hear whitefox. but you should retune. sounds like some high dwell. retune following the bottom one.
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Old 03-01-2008, 03:50 PM #7
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actually this has been in the v2 and spring kit thread for at least 2 weeks.

good to hear whitefox. but you should retune. sounds like some high dwell. retune following the bottom one.
I just did a bit of a retune with the dwell, got to 4 clicks (1m/s) dwell. Happy as a clam atm. The problem was, I had been using some Dow33, then I remembered I had gotten my new tub of Lurker. GREAT stuff.
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Old 03-01-2008, 05:02 PM #8
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ah. i thought you had an aftermarket. 7 was fine then lol. but 4 is better

i lost my lurker somewhere in my room. its nearly empty too. ppl with shockers at the field keep using it.

you know every shocker taht has used it has had a 45-60 fps gain?
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Old 03-01-2008, 05:46 PM #9
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so if im tuning primarily to reduce kick which method should i go with?
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lowest pressure.
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Old 03-01-2008, 05:57 PM #11
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My mini has decent kick and i dont know how to make it go away
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Dwell at 18 blinks
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Fps 290, but it jumps all over the place -+20(if you could help me get it more consistent that would be nice too )
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Old 03-01-2008, 05:58 PM #12
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well your dwells way too low for a stock bolt

follow my lowest pressure guide for least kick. stock bolts should hover around 150-180 psi after that tuning.
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My mini has decent kick and i dont know how to make it go away
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Dwell at 18 blinks
Psi at 190
Fps 290, but it jumps all over the place -+20(if you could help me get it more consistent that would be nice too )
i get the same thing with +-7 or so. I'm at a bit over 120 psi and 20 ish dwell with v2 and blue, but what exactly needs to be done to get that magical +-1 or 2fps we all want?

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Old 03-01-2008, 06:04 PM #14
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floow the guide. your dwell is way too high.

and paint matters A LOT.
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alright thanks, ill try it out, and will the Ndz v2 bolt and spring help with the kick if it isnt gone after the tunning?
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hey max. best settings for virtue, spring kit and v2 bolt? and ideas of a roundabout settings range?
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Old 03-01-2008, 06:11 PM #18
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hey max. best settings for virtue, spring kit and v2 bolt? and ideas of a roundabout settings range?
just follow the guide.
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floow the guide. your dwell is way too high.

and paint matters A LOT.
it's a stock board, which means dwell is at 5ms... not too high? or can it get lower? i know it varies by gun

and i was shooting cheap-ish stinger
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well if i understand right, im guessing your velocity turner thing is pretty far in like mine, when i get air at the field, i have to go and lower my dwell, my pressure and and do that until i get decent fps at quarter in from flush ish
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