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Old 02-15-2008, 01:51 AM #22
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Let me make sure I'm clear,, you guys want to shoot junk paint? You pay $65-$69 at PBA for seconds! Then complain about $60-$65 case tourney paint on the level of Ultra or Hellfire? Wow! Can't believe what I'm reading! Why don't I just raise the entry fee to $400-$500 per team lower the prize package and you can bring your own paint from Walmart, Or pay $200 entry and shoot the real deal. As for the field I was going to buy one if necessary. The idea is first class event across the board,,, I'll let the thread run a while then make a decision. We stopped playing events at pba a few years ago after we bought 7 cases of $20 paint for $69 a case only to find out we couldn't get a whole ball out of our DM's and they wouldn't take it back ! I know a few of you posting here we at that event and were crying the blues just like we were. Ahhhhh how soon we forget . The pain of poor quality will last much longer than the pleasure of a cheap price. So higher entry less payout and bring your own. OR Would you like to play a real series with real paint real series prizes and real cash payouts at each event. Im not seeing much confidence in your posts about your teams skillz. I would be asking " FITZ WHEN WE ROLL DOWN THERE AND KILL EVERYONE HOW MUCH CAN WE MAKE?" You guys are posting like you have already lost !

Keep posting this is enlightening I might rec shooting a cheaper gat and playing events so you can improve your game. Remember paintball is cheap if your winning ! To close,,,,, if its all about the money why not just stick to rec ball? Tourney players with $1000 gats find a way to play tourney ball !
Any of you that have played at Colorsplash know the events are first class thats the only way Jackie does it !

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So I have Air Force, and Shockwave at this point. I know we have a couple of rookie teams in Pueblo that are in. So we are making some progress.

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Old 02-15-2008, 08:50 AM #23
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Shooting qulity paint will alway make good ball time. You have to all remember the problems we have when we shoot low end paint! If we want all top gun events we have to cover all ends. And if that is making sure we have good paint that is what we have to do.
I do understand and feel the pain of $$$ of paint but you have to look at it in the long run.

What will the prize be? will I get my $$$ back WHEN we win. Who is going to be there to give us ups on our game?

Everyone here wants to be big one day in paintball, letting us do the events and make sure everyone improves there game, that is what we are going to do.
Shooting poor paint can cost you more in the long run, it could cost you first spot in the finals or having one of your team mates get bunker'd.
I am sure Fitz will let us know what is going on here soon. I am excited to see what team are out here to take the ranks.

Do you all agree?
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Old 02-15-2008, 11:32 AM #24
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I think people just want the option to choose shooting 40 dollar paint or 60 dollar paint. It doesn't hurt anyone but them so why not?
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Old 02-15-2008, 11:43 AM #25
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I think people just want the option to choose shooting 40 dollar paint or 60 dollar paint. It doesn't hurt anyone but them so why not?
That is a really good poing. Choosing what dollar amount and choosing what quality of paint you guys want to shoot. We just have to agree on

- Higher entree free/bring own paint
- keep prices the same
- have two picks of paint/ must buy paint at event.
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Old 02-15-2008, 02:51 PM #26
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I kinda like the idea of higher entry byop. But then again it would be nice to have the good paint waiting for you at the event. So either way would work. And having the two paint options is a good idea because what I usually do is buy the cheaper stuff early and when I get to the finals I whip out the good stuff.
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:58 PM #27
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I think the best option for you guys is to keep the entry fee reasonable. $200 dollars for a 6/7 man roster isn't bad if you take the time to do the math. And I think it is a great Idea. Leaving the choice of paint to the players is always appreciated. As long as there is value in both.

So let's do the math guys. I'll keep it simple.


Entry fee is $200


$200/7 = about $28.50 per person. if my brain is working right...

Then add the paint. We played a 3man XBall tourny a few years ago and we shot like 6-7 cases. so we'll say 8 to be on the safe side. And lets compare both 40$ and 60$ paint.

$40 x 8 = $320 now 320/7 = $45.71

now add the entry fee and the paint cost together

45.71 + 28.50 = 74.21

So if you were to buy the low-end paint it would cost you under 75 dollars.
And thats not for practice. Thats for a entire day of awesome paintball! That sounds like a great deal to me.




Now lets add up the more expensive paint.

$60 x 8 = $480

$480/8 = 68.57 (so about 23 dollars more per person)

so add...

28.50 + 68.57 = 97.07

Still under $100 for a whole day of paintball.

If your team is struggling to come up with the money just skip one practice early before the event and don't go blowing you money on fast food.

Your welcome, Jon.

P.S. I'm going to talk to Joe this weekend. I'm sure we'll play if we can get enough people together.
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Old 02-15-2008, 06:11 PM #28
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Another thing that would pull teams in would be having a real X-ball field. You can buy them from PSP after every event. It would make the league more legitimate if you had one or two regulation Sup Air X-ball fields.
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Old 02-15-2008, 06:27 PM #29
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your math is close, but the 7th man is only a coach not a player if i remember right
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I think the best option for you guys is to keep the entry fee reasonable. $200 dollars for a 6/7 man roster isn't bad if you take the time to do the math. And I think it is a great Idea. Leaving the choice of paint to the players is always appreciated. As long as there is value in both.

So let's do the math guys. I'll keep it simple.


Entry fee is $200


$200/7 = about $28.50 per person. if my brain is working right...

Then add the paint. We played a 3man XBall tourny a few years ago and we shot like 6-7 cases. so we'll say 8 to be on the safe side. And lets compare both 40$ and 60$ paint.

$40 x 8 = $320 now 320/7 = $45.71

now add the entry fee and the paint cost together

45.71 + 28.50 = 74.21

So if you were to buy the low-end paint it would cost you under 75 dollars.
And thats not for practice. Thats for a entire day of awesome paintball! That sounds like a great deal to me.




Now lets add up the more expensive paint.

$60 x 8 = $480

$480/8 = 68.57 (so about 23 dollars more per person)

so add...

28.50 + 68.57 = 97.07

Still under $100 for a whole day of paintball.

If your team is struggling to come up with the money just skip one practice early before the event and don't go blowing you money on fast food.

Your welcome, Jon.

P.S. I'm going to talk to Joe this weekend. I'm sure we'll play if we can get enough people together.
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your math is close, but the 7th man is only a coach not a player if i remember right
I believe they said you can have 7 rostered + 1 Coach.
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Old 02-15-2008, 06:45 PM #31
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Old 02-15-2008, 10:34 PM #32
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Funny that you talk about buying 20 dollar case paint for 69 because thats the same thing thats been going on in Pueblo for the past few years!!!! Why must you try to pocket 4 to 6 thousand dollars per weekend, must not be selling enough used cars!!! The only thing we really want is a choice of what paint to shoot, if we make a bad choice on paint thats on us, not you all. I've personally been to a couple tournaments when the lower grade paint out performed the higher grade on that particular day. Choices would be greatly apprieciated.

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Old 02-15-2008, 11:07 PM #33
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what dates are you looking at for the events
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Old 02-15-2008, 11:18 PM #34
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two paint choices would b nice
but i think the price its set at is already good
under 100 for a event would b good
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Old 02-16-2008, 12:09 AM #35
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I read Fitz's post several times and it seems he is mad at all us for not wanting to buy and shoot his high end paint. As a seller of paint and a field owner I can see why you would want this. Simply more $$$ in your pocket at the end of the day. And what does expressing your concern over paint pricing have anything to do with a teams skills? That is totally irrelavent to the topic at hand.
The other thing that makes me go hummmm, is it's obvious by your own testimony, you can provide a good quality expensive paint, buy being a paint supplier to at least two known fields can't you come up with a good quality reasonably priced paint?
Where's my .02 cents. Keep the entry at $200 ( good entry price). We'll use your own estimate on a team will shoot 10 to 11 cases per tourny. Have the event BYOP and charge a 10 to 15 dollar per case premium. That would be a max of $150 to $165 for the BYOP fee.
If this series is not intended to soley line your pockets with the profit off the paint sales then taking in approximately $165 dollars per team would be ok.
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Old 02-16-2008, 01:11 PM #36
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look guys those are fine prices for a psp format tourny you guys gona go to nppl and psp and complain of piant prices i dont think so. ive paid plenty more for crap paint at a crap tourny and i know fits and those guys know what there doing. well fits im gona talk to my guys and im sure well do it so ill get at you when i see the date.
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Old 02-16-2008, 04:01 PM #37
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look guys those are fine prices for a psp format tourny you guys gona go to nppl and psp and complain of piant prices i dont think so. ive paid plenty more for crap paint at a crap tourny and i know fits and those guys know what there doing. well fits im gona talk to my guys and im sure well do it so ill get at you when i see the date.
this is about starting up X-ball in colorado, and how are you going to do that when hardly any of the teams can afford the paint or want to pay a couple hundred bucks extra each tournament? this ****ing isnt about making the field owners rich, its about making it easier to start up a league for the players. they can raise prices after the league gets stable.
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this is about starting up X-ball in colorado, and how are you going to do that when hardly any of the teams can afford the paint or want to pay a couple hundred bucks extra each tournament? this ****ing isnt about making the field owners rich, its about making it easier to start up a league for the players. they can raise prices after the league gets stable.
fo sho! any good business or league/series/event orginizer knows that doing something started you SHOULD except to not profit exceedingly if at ALL for at least two years... that just common knowledge. NPPL and PSP are full of teams not complaining because it's basically the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL of paintball... you can't expect no name teams just starting out wanting to GET INTO x-ball to NOT look at that huge price and not be hesitant to try.... i know our team wouldnt have a problem with price but we're all hopefully on the same page as me and my club are about getting tourneys and paintball within colorado bigger than it already is.
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he does have a point about pba's paint it is **** for how much it cost just sayen if i going to pay that much i want the dope ****
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Let me make sure I'm clear,, you guys want to shoot junk paint? You pay $65-$69 at PBA for seconds! Then complain about $60-$65 case tourney paint on the level of Ultra or Hellfire? Wow! Can't believe what I'm reading! Why don't I just raise the entry fee to $400-$500 per team lower the prize package and you can bring your own paint from Walmart, Or pay $200 entry and shoot the real deal. As for the field I was going to buy one if necessary. The idea is first class event across the board,,, I'll let the thread run a while then make a decision. We stopped playing events at pba a few years ago after we bought 7 cases of $20 paint for $69 a case only to find out we couldn't get a whole ball out of our DM's and they wouldn't take it back ! I know a few of you posting here we at that event and were crying the blues just like we were. Ahhhhh how soon we forget . The pain of poor quality will last much longer than the pleasure of a cheap price. So higher entry less payout and bring your own. OR Would you like to play a real series with real paint real series prizes and real cash payouts at each event. Im not seeing much confidence in your posts about your teams skillz. I would be asking " FITZ WHEN WE ROLL DOWN THERE AND KILL EVERYONE HOW MUCH CAN WE MAKE?" You guys are posting like you have already lost !

Keep posting this is enlightening I might rec shooting a cheaper gat and playing events so you can improve your game. Remember paintball is cheap if your winning ! To close,,,,, if its all about the money why not just stick to rec ball? Tourney players with $1000 gats find a way to play tourney ball !
Any of you that have played at Colorsplash know the events are first class thats the only way Jackie does it !

my .02

So I have Air Force, and Shockwave at this point. I know we have a couple of rookie teams in Pueblo that are in. So we are making some progress.

Look at it this way, the people who pay for high end tourney paint will play anyway, but you can bring a new demographic into the picture with a lower price. This can only be good for the winners since it means more money. You'll just make less on the paint, but your not really losing since you won't get that money if you don't offer this option. So more players = more money.
Oh and BTW " FITZ WHEN WE ROLL DOWN THERE AND KILL EVERYONE HOW MUCH CAN WE MAKE?"
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look guys those are fine prices for a psp format tourny you guys gona go to nppl and psp and complain of piant prices i dont think so. ive paid plenty more for crap paint at a crap tourny and i know fits and those guys know what there doing. well fits im gona talk to my guys and im sure well do it so ill get at you when i see the date.

This isn't PSP or NPPL it's just a state tourney series. If we had the money we would play pro events, but we don't so the next best thing is this. Sorry for double post... To add to my post on the previous page, I wouldn't be mad if you took a 5-10% cut to make paint prices more reasonable. Their is serious money to be made if you do this right. Blitz tournies pulled almost 40 teams for a few events.
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:24 PM #42
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Funny that you talk about buying 20 dollar case paint for 69 because thats the same thing thats been going on in Pueblo for the past few years!!!! Why must you try to pocket 4 to 6 thousand dollars per weekend, must not be selling enough used cars!!! The only thing we really want is a choice of what paint to shoot, if we make a bad choice on paint thats on us, not you all. I've personally been to a couple tournaments when the lower grade paint out performed the higher grade on that particular day. Choices would be greatly apprieciated.
First off I would love to know who this moron really is !

1. I would personally make zero > I am trying to help CO paintball and the field owners that are all hurting right now.

2. 4-6k profit ? < You must be new to paintball A big event in CO these days might make the owner $1000-$1500 after everyone is paid. But if you are so much better at this than I am why don't you take over and Ill come play your events more than happy to pay $65 as case for great paint and prizes.

3. If you want to make it personal just call me! If you can't afford to play maybe you should "try to sell cars" Or just shut your mouth on my thread.

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