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View Poll Results: Who's the best candidate for the economy?
Barack Obama 14 17.28%
Hilary Clinton 3 3.70%
John Edwards 2 2.47%
Ron Paul 42 51.85%
Rudy Giulianni 1 1.23%
John McCain 0 0%
Mitt Romney 17 20.99%
Mike Huckabee 2 2.47%
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:35 PM #22
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Anyone who's not a democrat.

It's honestly the main reason I'd consider myself a Republican. I'll vote for whoever can keep us further away from socialism.
Tax and spend or borrow and spend. Neither of them are reasonable...
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:36 PM #23
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Seriously though lets consider the 1800's trusts and cooperations before we support a full tilt market economy...
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Many Republicans are basically corporate socialists.
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:37 PM #25
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Tax and spend or borrow and spend. Neither of them are reasonable...
Solution: Cut government substantialy
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:39 PM #26
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Solution: Cut government substantialy
I rather outsource it. I'm sure those Indians can use the work!
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:42 PM #28
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Many Republicans are basically corporate socialists.
How so?

That may be true for some, but I would say the same could be said of many politicians.

And regardless, it's far better than a centralized socialist government in my opinion, which I can be assured that the republicans won't stray to.

If I vote for a democrat, I can never be sure of their stance on socialized programs, as a substantial basis of the democratic party is teetering towards Socialism.

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Tax and spend or borrow and spend. Neither of them are reasonable...
What?

Do you think the only aspects of the government are taxation?

The amounts of those taxes can also change based on the size of the organizations needing the taxes.

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Government spending accounts for mabye a 1/4th of consumer spending. I don't understand how downsizing it is really going to help that much.
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Ron Paul.... is a fad.
I agree, but even so, he makes a lot of interesting points. I don't necessarily agree with all of them 100%, but he's definitely one of my top candidates.
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Government spending accounts for mabye a 1/4th of consumer spending. I don't understand how downsizing it is really going to help that much.
Cutting government allows them to end the federal income tax which gives ALL of America a substantially fatter wallet.
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Cutting government allows them to end the federal income tax which gives ALL of America a substantially fatter wallet.
Yeah, but the government probably spends that money anyways. Americans might just save it and keep it out of the economy.
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Mind explaining that statement?
Seems a bit hypocritical of you to ask me to back up my statements with fact, when you fail to do so, but I don't mind, so I shall.

Both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of it, but it is a larger issue on the Republican side.

Corporate socialism is essentially government support of private industry. In the most obvious examples private firms receive subsidies from the government, not unlike those on welfare. Less obvious and more debatable are the tax loopholes present for corporations.

Then there are massive corporate bailouts, which cost the tax payers billions of dollars, they do it in the name of saving jobs, but the fact is most of these workers could be retrained for new jobs, for far less than it cost to bailout their company.

If you are outraged about private individuals being given tax payer money to survive, I don't see how you couldn't be even more enraged about private firms being given tax payer money in order to profit.
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Paul.

More realistically, Obama since Paul is struggling.
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Yeah, but the government probably spends that money anyways. Americans might just save it and keep it out of the economy.
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:00 PM #36
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Paul.

More realistically, Obama since Paul is struggling.
Obama is not going to do anything impressive economically, he may be able to help repair America's fractured image abroad, which would in turn benefit the economy, but you aren't going to see anything huge happen to the economy under his watch.

Not saying that he won't do a fine job, just that he's not too far from the status quo.
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Yeah, but the government probably spends that money anyways. Americans might just save it and keep it out of the economy.
Taxes automatically create a deadweight loss, sorry boutz it.
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Taxes automatically create a deadweight loss, sorry boutz it.
Lets just say for the sake of education. Can I get you to elaborate?
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Lets just say for the sake of education. Can I get you to elaborate?
I have a soccer game to go to, right now, but I'll post something up later tonight.
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Obama is not going to do anything impressive economically, he may be able to help repair America's fractured image abroad, which would in turn benefit the economy, but you aren't going to see anything huge happen to the economy under his watch.

Not saying that he won't do a fine job, just that he's not too far from the status quo.
The president only has so much power over the economy anyways.
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Ron Paul.... is a fad.
Says a supporter of Barack Hussein Obama. Don't get me wrong, he's my second choice after Paul, but this delusion that he's going to beat Hilary Clinton has gone too far. I'll put 10$ on him losing the democratic nomination. I don't think there would be a bet I'd be happier to lose, but I just can't see him winning.
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