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Old 01-22-2008, 06:55 PM #1
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STP: GDT V. Flip-Flopping Communist!

So, how's everyone dealing with the new influx of idiots as of lately?

Anyone read any good books lately that deal with politics/government?
Nothing tops 1984 yet!
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Old 01-22-2008, 07:52 PM #2
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1984 is good. I haven't been reading much lately because I've been busy with school but I'm open for suggestions. Non-school book I've read most recently was Teeth Of The Tiger which was pretty decent.

Hows the weather in ME?
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Hey Swerve, how is NH? I'm contemplating moving up there after I finish college.
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Old 01-22-2008, 08:00 PM #4
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I just finished John Mearshimer's The Tragedy of Great Power Politics, he presents a pretty strong case for the offensive realism theory of International Politics, but it still has many holes. I have to write a paper critiquing a section of the book, which should be good as it will allow me to do some research on the liberal theory of economic interdependence, which I believe hold some merit.

And it is cold as sin in Chicago, my pipes froze last night, thank God I have an awesome super.
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Old 01-22-2008, 08:06 PM #5
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Hows the weather in ME?
Awful, unless you have a snowmobile. We have had a lot of snow since early and it's cold. We have a few feet now anyways, ice fishing has even been going on for a while. Noreaster's definitely blow, eh?
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Gah, books..

I have just been reading market analysis all day.

And the level of idiocy here never weakens, it's just the amount of effort that is put in by those that are not idiots which changes.
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Old 01-22-2008, 08:30 PM #7
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Gulliver's Travels is a good one, it's not as direct but it alludes to quite a bit of problems that always occur in politics and the state. Also The Republic is pretty peachy, either by Socrates or Plato the name is skipping a beat.
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Old 01-22-2008, 08:42 PM #8
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Socrates didn't write a thing and the Republic is Plato's seminal work.
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ah! but if I recall his successors did transcribe his dialogues unless someone forged the Ion and Meno, so technically they are still his works whether written in speech or penned.

I bought a little thick book that has all the works of those two and Hippocrates, I always get the names confused.
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My last GDT failed. Good luck Paint.

But I'm reading this philosophy book currently that makes my head feel a little strained.
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I just finished John Mearshimer's The Tragedy of Great Power Politics, he presents a pretty strong case for the offensive realism theory of International Politics, but it still has many holes. I have to write a paper critiquing a section of the book, which should be good as it will allow me to do some research on the liberal theory of economic interdependence, which I believe hold some merit.

And it is cold as sin in Chicago, my pipes froze last night, thank God I have an awesome super.
rawr I've read some mearshimer, but I couldn't possibly stand to stomach a whole book at once
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ah! but if I recall his successors did transcribe his dialogues unless someone forged the Ion and Meno, so technically they are still his works whether written in speech or penned.

I bought a little thick book that has all the works of those two and Hippocrates, I always get the names confused.
Socrates is present in Plato's work, but its not about who's saying it as much as what he's saying
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im reading Suez 1956. i bet you cant guess what its about.
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ah! but if I recall his successors did transcribe his dialogues unless someone forged the Ion and Meno, so technically they are still his works whether written in speech or penned.

I bought a little thick book that has all the works of those two and Hippocrates, I always get the names confused.
Plato wrote those, but whether or not they were actually real situations is debatable.

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My last GDT failed. Good luck Paint.

But I'm reading this philosophy book currently that makes my head feel a little strained.
What are you reading? I'm in a Medieval philosophy class that is full of obtuse literature.

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rawr I've read some mearshimer, but I couldn't possibly stand to stomach a whole book at once
He's a very intelligent man and his book was quite easy to read, simple and to the point and he restates his arguments many a time.

And while I don't necessarily want to accept his case for offensive realism dictating state behavior he has some very valid arguments.
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Socrates is present in Plato's work, but its not about who's saying it as much as what he's saying
So was it ever written in public record that he gave those orations or was it just a work of Plato?
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More than likely just the work of Plato, Charmides is a good example of it, because it contains references to something that happens after the piece takes place.
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Plato wrote those, but whether or not they were actually real situations is debatable.



What are you reading? I'm in a Medieval philosophy class that is full of obtuse literature.


He's a very intelligent man and his book was quite easy to read, simple and to the point and he restates his arguments many a time.

And while I don't necessarily want to accept his case for offensive realism dictating state behavior he has some very valid arguments.
I'm just in an Intro to Philosophy class. The book I'm reading is called Time, Change and Freedom by Quentin Smith & Nathan Oaklander. It's about metaphysics and such.
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Sounds pretty interesting, but metaphysics is a tough thing to wrap your head around, I like it a lot though, I may actually give that book a once over.
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Sounds pretty interesting, but metaphysics is a tough thing to wrap your head around, I like it a lot though, I may actually give that book a once over.
Yeah, it is very interesting, except it's the type of thing that you(or me at least) have to like really pay attention to while you are reading. But yeah, the book is good...it is written in dialogue form and gets kind of cheesy sometimes, but the content is good.
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Do you guys really like philosophy courses? Seems like it'd be frustrating.
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Do you guys really like philosophy courses? Seems like it'd be frustrating.
I like mine so far. It's mostly discussion driven, which I like.
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