Find fields & stores near you!
Find fields and stores
Zipcode
PbNation News
PbNation News
Community Focus
Community Focus

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-19-2007, 10:20 AM #1
ArchAngelIon
VSBGODB
 
ArchAngelIon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: CASTLE SHIKIGAMI
ArchAngelIon plays in the PSP
ArchAngelIon owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
ArchAngelIon posts videos on PbNation
ArchAngelIon is one of the top 1000 posters on PbNation
looking for Stat's that make paintball look good

Hey all, I am in the process of getting my parents to invest in an indoor arena in the north suburbs of chicago.

They want to see some stats about paintball that make it look good.

Things such as:

risks and odds of getting hurt
how many play
Amount of money it brings in (total)

I did some searching and could only come up with 2002 figures.

If anyone cares, it would be in this location:

Chevy Chase Business Park
1057 Johnson Drive
Buffalo Grove, IL

where can I find more recent results?
__________________
I do not need assistance to rule this world,
Everything will grovel at my feet.

The only thing I find valuable, about your species, is the noises you make when you die.

Looking for Classic video games, will trade dollars: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...7#post82009777

Last edited by ArchAngelIon : 12-19-2007 at 06:42 PM.
ArchAngelIon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Sponsored Links Remove Advertisement
Advertisement
Old 12-19-2007, 11:08 AM #2
TargetIndy
Electrifying
 
TargetIndy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Annual Supporting Member
TargetIndy is a founding member
TargetIndy is BST Legit
TargetIndy is an Ultimate field/store owner
TargetIndy is Immortal
The Sporting Goods Manufacturers' Association provides annual reports about the market demographics and industry sales numbers. The report's not cheap, but I've found their age demographics to be uncannily accurate to what I see at my field.

The injury statistics will come from the NEISS.

Best of luck. Chicago's going to be a tough market.
__________________
SwapMyTank.com
Swap your used air tank for a brand new Ninja tank!

DoctorOring.com -- O-ring kits for baller's on a budget!
3 rebuilds $4.95 -- Boxed kits from $9.95

Paintball Indiana -- Indianapolis's Oldest Outdoor Paintball Field
TargetIndy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2007, 11:36 AM #3
Horizon
 
 
Horizon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
Horizon is a member of the Paintball Operators' Association
Quote:
Originally Posted by TargetIndy View Post
The Sporting Goods Manufacturers' Association provides annual reports about the market demographics and industry sales numbers. The report's not cheap, but I've found their age demographics to be uncannily accurate to what I see at my field.

The injury statistics will come from the NEISS.

Best of luck. Chicago's going to be a tough market.
Which SGMA reports have you purchased and approx. what are the costs? I looked at them a few years back but was discouraged with the prices. Just wondering if they are good value.
Horizon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2007, 11:51 AM #4
things2auction
Your AD here - $5
 
things2auction's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Seattle, Washington
 has been a member for 10 years
things2auction plays in the PSP
things2auction plays in the APPA D5 division
You are really asking all the wrong questions, but here it goes anyways...

Risks and odd of getting hurt are significantly lower than a lot of sports. Think of paintball compared to football. A small projectile hitting someone or a big guy tackling another guy. LOL... Either way paintball insurance will cover you in most situations so as long as proper safety procedures are taken it shouldn't be too much of a concern.

Millions of people play and paintball is a billion dollar industry, but that wont help you at all. You need to get more local. Go to other fields in the area and see what there business is like. If there are not many people showing up you probably dont want to open a field in that area. You will also want to ask yourself what you can offer the players that the other fields cannot because they will be your direct competition.

Its nice to try to look at all the figures that make something look good, but when starting a business you need to look at all sides and not just paint a rosy little picture of an ideal situation. Look at the good, bad, and ugly, then decide if you really want to get into it.
things2auction is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2007, 12:02 PM #5
VApaintballer400
Business Instead of Game
 
VApaintballer400's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: *703*
VApaintballer400 is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
http://pspevents.com/uploads/PSP.pdf
This document has some good numbers and pretty diagrams.
__________________
::Feedback::
VApaintballer400 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2007, 03:52 PM #6
devilmountainsports
NightStalkers
 
devilmountainsports's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
 has been a member for 10 years
With the amount of money you are going to have to invest in the field the report is going to be cheap. Getting this information will help you determine if dumping a ton of money into a field is actually worth it.

Remember you cannot declare bankruptcy on a SBA loan or a loan from your parents. Paying 100s of thousands of dollars back takes a long time. Really look hard into this. Paintball business is not easy. I sold mine to a friend 3 months back and I have NEVER been happier.
__________________
Night Stalkers Scenario Paintball -Sponsored by Nobody
Please do not contact us for sponsorships we are not interested.

I no longer own DMSPaintball.com. Call the store directly at 925-608-3319 for all your questions.
devilmountainsports is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2007, 03:55 PM #7
ArchAngelIon
VSBGODB
 
ArchAngelIon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: CASTLE SHIKIGAMI
ArchAngelIon plays in the PSP
ArchAngelIon owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
ArchAngelIon posts videos on PbNation
ArchAngelIon is one of the top 1000 posters on PbNation
It is looking grim. The more I talk to people involved the more I want to stay away.

But I do love paintball. Im working on my plan right now.
__________________
I do not need assistance to rule this world,
Everything will grovel at my feet.

The only thing I find valuable, about your species, is the noises you make when you die.

Looking for Classic video games, will trade dollars: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...7#post82009777
ArchAngelIon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2007, 04:29 PM #8
VictoryPb
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Stevens Point, WI
Business Plan Pro

If you want to impress your investors and also be organized, efficient, and gauge whether it will work in your market, I have found Business Plan Pro to be an incredible investment. It will walk you through how you can find out exactly what you need to know. Also, it makes a real fancy presentation for you. Very, very nice. It is $67 plus shipping on Amazon or $99 at Best Buy if you can't wait for it to arrive. Or, you could have a friend working at Best Buy buy it for you and it only costs $45.
VictoryPb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2007, 05:03 PM #9
caraboose (Banned)
I has shawrks
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: CYYC
1998 – 5.9 million
1999 – 6.4 million
2000 – 7.1 million
2001 – 7.7 million
2002 – 8.7 million
2003 - 9.8 million
2004 - 9.6 million
north american continent played
and 2008 is estimated that about 15 000 000 (million) people arround the north american continent will be playing
good enough for you?
caraboose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2007, 06:04 PM #10
paintballistheshiz
Leggo My Ego
 
paintballistheshiz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: chicago
paintballistheshiz owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
paintballistheshiz is for the Gunfight
paintballistheshiz has achieved Level 1 in PbNation Pursuit
paintballistheshiz has achieved Level 2 in PbNation Pursuit
If your opening a field near or in Chicago, PLEASE PM ME!! I live right near there, and I could come and help u out, and ref for paint, or a lil cash.lmk thanks
paintballistheshiz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2007, 06:41 PM #11
ArchAngelIon
VSBGODB
 
ArchAngelIon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: CASTLE SHIKIGAMI
ArchAngelIon plays in the PSP
ArchAngelIon owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
ArchAngelIon posts videos on PbNation
ArchAngelIon is one of the top 1000 posters on PbNation
You will freak out when you discover the location.

Chevy Chase Business Park
1057 Johnson Drive
Buffalo Grove, IL

at this point its just loose talk.

I have come up with an idea which basically eliminates labor.

2 home teams to work the field, each will recieve paint and gear at cost as well as field time for compensation.
__________________
I do not need assistance to rule this world,
Everything will grovel at my feet.

The only thing I find valuable, about your species, is the noises you make when you die.

Looking for Classic video games, will trade dollars: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...7#post82009777

Last edited by ArchAngelIon : 12-19-2007 at 06:44 PM.
ArchAngelIon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2007, 06:48 PM #12
KEFarris
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Lawrence, KS
 has been a member for 10 years
KEFarris has achieved Level 1 in PbNation Pursuit
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArchAngelIon View Post

I have come up with an idea which basically eliminates labor.
.....And will violate both state and federal tax/labor laws.
KEFarris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2007, 08:36 PM #13
TargetIndy
Electrifying
 
TargetIndy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Annual Supporting Member
TargetIndy is a founding member
TargetIndy is BST Legit
TargetIndy is an Ultimate field/store owner
TargetIndy is Immortal
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon View Post
Which SGMA reports have you purchased and approx. what are the costs? I looked at them a few years back but was discouraged with the prices. Just wondering if they are good value.
I bought the 2006 Sports Participation in America report for paintball. The non-member cost was $125. It's not a must-have report, but I did find parts of it to be useful to me. Last year, they changed some of the ways they collected data and determined that paintball's about half the size that they previously predicted. At this point, I don't know which set of reports is more accurate. I'll probably wait a couple years before buying the next report.

They do have some of their older reports available for free. Their State Of The Industry reports are useful for determining how paintball is doing compared to the rest of the sporting goods industry.
__________________
SwapMyTank.com
Swap your used air tank for a brand new Ninja tank!

DoctorOring.com -- O-ring kits for baller's on a budget!
3 rebuilds $4.95 -- Boxed kits from $9.95

Paintball Indiana -- Indianapolis's Oldest Outdoor Paintball Field
TargetIndy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2007, 01:37 AM #14
WhiteRiverPaintball
Indiana's Largest Field
 
WhiteRiverPaintball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Anderson, Indiana
WhiteRiverPaintball is playing at Living Legends V
WhiteRiverPaintball posts videos on PbNation
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArchAngelIon View Post
I have come up with an idea which basically eliminates labor...
Hell, why declare your income if you're not going to pay federal or state withholding taxes...

And, while you're at it, don't pay your sales tax too.... WAY too much money to spend on such frivolous things anyway
__________________
White River Paintball Field is over 100 acres of urban, woodsball and scenario paintball, located in the Indianapolis, Indiana metro area. WRP also features an on-site pro-shop, 10 acre camping area, epic scenario events and over a dozen playing fields including multiple aircraft, two-story towers, multi-acre city, forts, military vehicles, jungle huts, deep woods and more!

Upcoming Scenario Event Schedule:

* Battle for Chicago: Mafia Wars - November 7th, 8th & 9th, 2014 *
* Jungle Run: Blood Diamonds - March 20th, 21st & 22nd, 2015*
* Summer 2015 Scenario Event - July 17th, 18th & 19th, 2015 *
Join us on Facebook
WhiteRiverPaintball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2007, 01:07 PM #15
paramedic18
Shortcake!
 
paramedic18's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Fishers, Indiana
paramedic18 is a Paintball photographer
paramedic18 is playing at Living Legends VI
paramedic18 is playing at Living Legends VII
paramedic18 posts videos on PbNation
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteRiverPaintball View Post
Hell, why declare your income if you're not going to pay federal or state withholding taxes...

And, while you're at it, don't pay your sales tax too.... WAY too much money to spend on such frivolous things anyway
such a negative attitude. its probably a kid trying to make his own business, give him a break.

to those that think they can get away without paying taxes or employer withholdings, dont say you weren't warned. you could land yourself into ALOT of hot water. my suggestion to you, is to make sure you pay your taxes and follow the letter of the law, otherwise your gonna end up getting closed down very early.

good luck! wouldnt mind a road trip if you get something up and running.
J
__________________
Paintball Indiana, Central Indiana's best rec field

Paintcheck Photography in Co-operating with RSHMedia, Covering the Indiana region for scenario, tourny, and rec play.
paramedic18 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2007, 01:05 PM #16
Section3
 
 
Section3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by TargetIndy View Post
I bought the 2006 Sports Participation in America report for paintball. The non-member cost was $125. It's not a must-have report, but I did find parts of it to be useful to me. Last year, they changed some of the ways they collected data and determined that paintball's about half the size that they previously predicted. At this point, I don't know which set of reports is more accurate. I'll probably wait a couple years before buying the next report.

They do have some of their older reports available for free. Their State Of The Industry reports are useful for determining how paintball is doing compared to the rest of the sporting goods industry.

Yeah, I heard that and haven't bought a report from them since. How can you be THAT off? The $125 is no big deal if it helps your business, but any company that is wrong by that margin doesn't deserve our money. If anyone has read the new report I'd be interested to hear what they believe the total number of players to be.

I guess that shoots down the idea that paintball is almost as big as skateboarding...
__________________
Hard|Core paintball posters & stickers
www.KnuckleDownPaintball.com

Paintball in Houston, TX
www.urbanwarzonepaintball.com
The only field inside the 610 loop.
Section3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2007, 03:11 PM #17
TargetIndy
Electrifying
 
TargetIndy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Annual Supporting Member
TargetIndy is a founding member
TargetIndy is BST Legit
TargetIndy is an Ultimate field/store owner
TargetIndy is Immortal
Quote:
Originally Posted by Section3 View Post
Yeah, I heard that and haven't bought a report from them since. How can you be THAT off? The $125 is no big deal if it helps your business, but any company that is wrong by that margin doesn't deserve our money. If anyone has read the new report I'd be interested to hear what they believe the total number of players to be.

I guess that shoots down the idea that paintball is almost as big as skateboarding...
If they changed their data collection method for everyone, skateboarding may have seen a comparable adjustment to their numbers. The problem is, I'm not convinced that they know how they should adjust the previous years' data.
__________________
SwapMyTank.com
Swap your used air tank for a brand new Ninja tank!

DoctorOring.com -- O-ring kits for baller's on a budget!
3 rebuilds $4.95 -- Boxed kits from $9.95

Paintball Indiana -- Indianapolis's Oldest Outdoor Paintball Field
TargetIndy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007, 01:44 PM #18
bvdave
 
 
bvdave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
http://www.paint-ball.org/safety_report.htm

http://www.ody.ca/~cwells/stats.htm

http://www.comkart.com/php-bin/spons...article_23.php

paintball is actually one of teh safest sports you can play. when I started up my fiedl and shop in 2006 having these reports made getting insurance much easier, most companies wouldnt touch me at first,.
bvdave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007, 02:10 PM #19
raehl
NCPA President
 
raehl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Chippewa Falls, WI
Annual Supporting Member
raehl is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
raehl plays in the PSP
raehl supports our troops
raehl is an NCPA National Champion
raehl plays in the APPA D5 division
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArchAngelIon View Post
I have come up with an idea which basically eliminates labor.

2 home teams to work the field, each will recieve paint and gear at cost as well as field time for compensation.
And you'll get what you pay for.

People who are working for you for 'stuff' are not going to be reliable.

You would be better off to find some good people (even kids) who are NOT terribly interested in paintball and pay them to run your field. You want employees who view the work as a job, not something they have to do to get paint.

As for the SGMA report, I buy it every year. It has good NATIONAL numbers, but probably isn't going to be helpful in determining whether your business will be successful in a particular local area.

I will say that being from Chicagoland, I've long thought the high-income area between Milwaukee and Chicago would be a great place for an indoor field. But, you're going to have to figure out what this field is going to offer that other fields in the area are not, and if you can offer it at a price that people will pay but will still allow you to make the full-time salary for the full-time job you're going to be creating for yourself.

- Chris
__________________
Check Out Paintball on TV!

National Collegiate Paintball Association, President - http://www.ncpapaintball.com

American Paintball Players Association - www.paintball-players.org
raehl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007, 02:38 PM #20
Horizon
 
 
Horizon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
Horizon is a member of the Paintball Operators' Association
Quote:
Originally Posted by raehl View Post
And you'll get what you pay for.

People who are working for you for 'stuff' are not going to be reliable.

You would be better off to find some good people (even kids) who are NOT terribly interested in paintball and pay them to run your field. You want employees who view the work as a job, not something they have to do to get paint.
- Chris
Yes, I agree. Most of our best staff over the years have been people who did not play paintball at all or played very little. People who want to work for you because it would be "cool" to work at a paintball field, are not necessarily going to be your best employees.

Similarly, some of the best fields I've been at have been fields that are owned/managed by people who have very little paintball playing experience, but they understand how to run a business and understand how to make sure their customers are having fun. Some of the worst fields I've been to were started by people who played the tournament scen heavily and ate and drank paintball for years before opening their field.
Horizon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007, 03:08 PM #21
HateHKLove
Theory
 
HateHKLove's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Penalty Box®
Just look at alternative sports numbers, I think it's ranked above snowboarding..
__________________
We will live, live eternal
HateHKLove is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
Forum Jump