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Old 12-08-2007, 12:53 AM #1
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Feedback issue.

Hey mods, I gave swedishfishh neutral feedback and he gives me negative feedback because I didn't give him positive feedback. The gun had a bad o-ring in the valve, was totally filthy, and a broken ball in the barrel. I don't know about you but I think I was pretty generous with a neutral feedback.

If his only base to give me negative is because I left him neutral, that is totally unfair and it is making me look bad. He said I did not ask for any thing other than the gun, but I asked for EVERYTHING that came with a stock fusion, that means, tool kit, barrel, and gauge. Here is a PM I got from him flaming me.

" an o ring change on the valve???
you are full of your **** then a cow, that gun had nothing wrong with it, and you should have been more specific on asking what was coming with the gun, you asked me if everything is coming with the gun that came with it when i bought it, i bought it right off the shelf, so i told you yes, and you thinking if came with a box, tools, lube, etc. your fault for not asking more specifically, its not my fault your young and stupid for not asking the questions you should be asking when you are buying stuff, and for the record, you are a jerk off"

Essentially right there that proves my case for a neutral feedback. He admits I asked him if the Fusion came with everything it came from the box with, but it didn't... And he claims I should have asked more. What more is there to ask other than does it come with everything it originally came with.

Here is another quote via PM

"your a ****ing scum bag, i gave you wat i said i did, not my fault you lost parts taking it apart you jackass, and im sooo sorry it was not clean, i reported you for being a **********"

Now quite honestly, this is very uncalled for. I haven't said anything bad, and I am leaving him neutral feedback.

Does this qualify as feedback fraud since the guy is blackmailing me to leave him positive feedback?

If anyone can shed some light on this, I would be much appreciative.

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Old 12-08-2007, 01:38 AM #2
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I'm sorry but we can't mediate feedback if you didn't use a mod as a third party. We didn't ever see any of the products nor were we part of the communication back and forth. We honestly have no way of sorting out who is right and who is wrong.
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Old 12-08-2007, 01:43 AM #3
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I'm sorry but we can't mediate feedback if you didn't use a mod as a third party. We didn't ever see any of the products nor were we part of the communication back and forth. We honestly have no way of sorting out who is right and who is wrong.
Well, the gun is fixed I have no problem with that anymore, but the problem here is that I am getting negative feedback for leaving the seller neutral feedback. Is that not blackmail? He says he'll change it once I give him positive feedback. To me that is almost criminal. I do not know how you prefer to run such instances, but I personally would not stand for this.
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Old 12-08-2007, 01:44 AM #4
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Again, we weren't part of this deal in any way. We have no way of determining who deserves what feedback. I'm sorry.
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Old 12-08-2007, 01:46 AM #5
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I fully understand that, but his only claim to giving me negative is because I posted neutral. It really has nothing with with the physical transaction of the product. If you haven't read his comment in my feedback section, please do. I hope that may explain what I mean. He's blackmailing me to give him positive... That is in the sites jurisdiction no?

edit- I just got to thinking, but aren't issues like these just defeating the purpose of the whole feedback system? This is one major flaw in that it all must be self governing, when a scammer for example can blackmail people into giving him positive feedback. If there is any action that can be done, or talk with the kid, that would be great.

I don't want it to come to this, but I have paid this site money, but there is so very little you can do for a feedback system that the site has personally set into affect. A little consideration is all I am asking for, and I completely understand that you are busy. But it just seems that issues like this deteriorate the wellbeing and functionality of the site.

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Old 12-08-2007, 10:47 AM #6
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I read his feedback for you. Feedback is meant to be left about the complete transaction and part of that transaction is this disagreement about if the marker worked. We never saw this gun. We can't tell you if it worked or not. We can't tell you if the valve had the correct o-ring. We're not claiming it is a perfect system, but it is a free system.


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the gun was sent in good condition, i forgot to send him guage, gun had a slug instead, i sent guage, no problem. gun worked great, he said there was an o ring replaced in the valve or something? hes a liar, also, he needs to realize what questions he needs to ask when he is buying something, he said it didnt come with what was said, i sent him exactly wat was said, the gun. he wanted more, he wanted tools ( allen keys, lube, the whole deal) you need to grow up and realize like i said if you wanna buy something, ask EVERYTHING u can think of, not leave it all on me like u did and get what you asked for, and you expect more, i will change this when he cahnges mine to a positive since i sent him a working gun no problem, shipping was fast too, only thing was guage which i happily sent quickly too.
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Old 12-08-2007, 12:05 PM #7
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Alright so I guess it comes down to me having to leave him negative feedback. I'll gladly take my negative after what he is doing to me. Can you please explain how to edit feedback?
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Old 12-08-2007, 12:13 PM #8
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Feedback instructions are in my sig. (You click the hammer looking thing.)

I already PM'd him about retaliatory feedback, but you can take matters into your own hands if you have to.
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Old 12-08-2007, 12:16 PM #9
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It's locked... That means I can't change it when I posted feedback first. Is there any way to get around this?
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Old 12-08-2007, 01:20 PM #10
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You can edit it for 48 hours from when you post it.

If you want it changed after that, post in this forum and we'll do it, but only once. And even then we'll only change it one rating (ie from positive to neutral, not to negative). This is to cut down on retaliatory feedback.
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Old 12-08-2007, 01:24 PM #11
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Ok, let me see if I can talk some sense into this kid before going about and changing it to a negative. If all goes well, I'd like to see us both left with a neutral.
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:18 AM #12
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If you could go ahead and change his feedback to negative, that would be awesome. He's been nothing but a tool to me about it. I cannot change the little message though can I? The one that every one can see?
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Old 12-09-2007, 03:58 PM #13
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Can someone please change that? It's a little frustrating that I am nice and I get **** in return from this kid.
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Old 12-09-2007, 08:21 PM #14
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Let me know how you want it to read.
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Old 12-09-2007, 09:23 PM #15
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Sent me a leaking gun. Tried to blackmail me into posting positive feedback. PM me for details.

If that fits that would be awesome.
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Old 12-09-2007, 09:42 PM #16
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I got close to it. Tell me if you want it changed.
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Old 12-09-2007, 09:47 PM #17
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Thank you! can you add a 4 in the for "PM 4 details"? I dunno, I appreciate it. It's funny how he has instantly changed his feedback now.
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Old 12-09-2007, 09:49 PM #18
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Sure, let me know what three characters you want me to remove. You're already at 80.
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Old 12-09-2007, 09:53 PM #19
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If you replace blackmail with "to con" that should fit.

Thank you John! (My name too =D) You are now on my list of best mods on PBN along with Kolder. <3

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