[TheImPgoD]

Originally Posted by fuelpb

nothing can match closed bolt cocker accuracy

That arguement again? If you're going to act childish, don't even post it. Cockers have no advantage over anything else in terms of accuracy.

[Rod]

If you can swing the little bit of extra cash, go with an Ion(me personally a nicely upped used one). A decent eye is worth every penny.

Originally Posted by Sean@smartpartswest

Yes, Either the Vibe or the SP1 will make a great woodsball gun. That is all i play is woodsball. I do reccomend an anti-siphon for better consistency, otherwise straight CO2 will be fine.

And Impgod.. The Vibe is more accurate than a Tippmann. Since you say that the Vibe or SP1 is more consistent therefore a "higher grade" of accuracy.. therefore.. it is more accurate than a Tippmann.

I had a 98c, w/Teardrop barrel and a stabilizer using CO2. Shooting a fresh bag of Allstars I would put it against anything you have ever shot, teched, or looked at...as far as accuracy is concerned.

[Sean@smartpartswest]

Originally Posted by Rod

If you can swing the little bit of extra cash, go with an Ion(me personally a nicely upped used one). A decent eye is worth every penny.



I had a 98c, w/Teardrop barrel and a stabilizer using CO2. Shooting a fresh bag of Allstars I would put it against anything you have ever shot, teched, or looked at...as far as accuracy is concerned.

I accept your challenge. Where do you play at and do you attend any scenario games throughout the year?

[TheImPgoD]

Oooooh it's on now! Go Sean!

[Rod]

My tippy is long gone, but I have always wanted to come up to the big woodsball event in PA.
My point is this...a good paintball/barrel match with decent consistency over the chrono is much more important than whatever mechanism is shooting the ball. If you want to say that the vibe is better than the 98 fine, but you went too far with the accuracy thing.

Thanks for dragging me into your hi-jacking gang.

[virtualbasil]

One thing you may not have thought of is. How quiet the Vibe will be. I use a ION in the woods and alot of times people have no Idea where they're being shot from.Also the vibe has seal forward.

[TheImPgoD]

You pulled yourself into it with your claim.

[Rod]

I use my Ion and my SFT in the woods(Imp before that). Since you brought it up, I believe that the model 98 may have had the first seal forward in paintball(not real sure on that one) and it also seals to the barrel not the breech.
Dont think that I am gung-ho tippmann cause Im not, and as you can probably tell Im not bashing SP either. Just telling it like it is.

The accuracy thing was not just a claim.

[Focus02]

Originally Posted by Rod

My tippy is long gone, but I have always wanted to come up to the big woodsball event in PA.
My point is this...a good paintball/barrel match with decent consistency over the chrono is much more important than whatever mechanism is shooting the ball. If you want to say that the vibe is better than the 98 fine, but you went too far with the accuracy thing.

Thanks for dragging me into your hi-jacking gang.

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You summarized fairly well some aspects of what makes a marker accurate. The Vibe/SP-1 being low pressure with a good built in regulator has an advantage of being more consistant, which you admit contributes to accuracy.

Another factor is accuracy while firing many rounds, say even 4 or 5 a second. Again, Vibe/SP-1 has an additional advantage because fact that the low pressure electronumatic markers shoot much more smoothly by reducing the amount the marker moves during each shot.

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[Outlaw.99]

Originally Posted by Sean@smartpartswest

I do reccomend an anti-siphon for better consistency, otherwise straight CO2 will be fine.

I havent messed with Co2 since I bought my Urban Camo F-1 Illustrator new, well maybe not that long....Question is though, how about a remote instead of anti??..I know the claim to fame for these and the VS1 is speedball technology for the Co2 crowd (Vs1 I think has eyes, ahem) but will these new internals really take the more drastic temperature changes that co2 brings with it??

[TheImPgoD]

Remote lines do greatly lower the chances of liquid co2 in the gun, as long as the tank is positioned correctly.

[ionboy7]

I would deffeinetly go with an A-5 over a Vibe for woodsball
First of all it is more upgrdeable
And the Vibe was meant for speedball

[Sean@smartpartswest]

Originally Posted by ionboy7

I would deffeinetly go with an A-5 over a Vibe for woodsball
First of all it is more upgrdeable
And the Vibe was meant for speedball

Or, get an SP1.

[VcityBaller_Impy (Banned)]

ionboy,why couldnt you use a speedball marker for woodsball?get your facts straight.in honesty,a speedball gun would be BETTER,because most "woods" markers are mech blowbacks. why wouldnt a quiet,no kick,accurate vibe be worse than a A5. GTFO this forum,go back to middle school..

[R3L]

I never understood why woodsball players are expected to settle for crappy guns with rails slapped on them. Any wall between woodsball/speedball hardware is entirely marketing.

[Focus02]

IHO, the only functional thing that different between 'woodsball' markers an not, is does it have the ablity via rails to mount external hardware, and maybe be a non-shiney color..

There are many woodsball players that have no desire to mount external hardware like red-dots, lights, or a stock. If this is you, then just about any marker that can reach 280 fps is good to go.
The main difference is just in the look of the marker.
Whether its a blowback or not has no bearing on its being a woodsball marker or not.

The Vibe will be fine in the woods. If you think you'll want to put a red-dot or stock on the marker, then the SP-1 may be a better fit.

[Focus02]

Originally Posted by R3L

I never understood why woodsball players are expected to settle for crappy guns with rails slapped on them. Any wall between woodsball/speedball hardware is entirely marketing.

I don't think its just a woodsball statement. There are many other players that are expected to settle for crappy guns that are shiney.
I do agree, it is entirely marketing.

[z4pp]

My only concern for playing woodsball is not having an attention-grabbing gun color. We play with several different people that have bright, shiny guns, and it is a distinct disadvantage for them. You can easily spot them wherever they are, from far away, unless they are keeping their guns hidden under them. In contrast, most of us have full camo and wrap our markers, and if you stay still, you can be invisible.

[Stevefe]

I have a black Ion and it works just fine in the woods. So I see no reason why a dark colored Vibe should not work.