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Old 11-27-2007, 09:07 PM #211
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here is just a quick google search on heat effects on almunium -

http://www.wisoven.com/heatreat.htm

you can clearly see there is a BIG difference between blow torching you gun and baking it.
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:10 PM #212
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here is just a quick google search on heat effects on almunium -

http://www.wisoven.com/heatreat.htm

you can clearly see there is a BIG difference between blow torching you gun and baking it.
Your changing the structure of the Anodizing, not the aluminum underneath, Which is a Ceramic Aluminum Oxide coating that isnt metal at all, Anodizing under heat begins to become very brittle and cracks.
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:15 PM #213
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Your changing the structure of the Anodizing, not the aluminum underneath, Which is a Ceramic Aluminum Oxide coating that isnt metal at all, Anodizing under heat begins to become very brittle and cracks.
you might not be changing the structure of the anno though.

its common place in aluminum treating to "age" it by holding it at lower temps for long periods of time (sometimes even days or more) to get the ductility and hardness and the proper interstitial partials to even out. this is denoted by the 6061 T3 or T5. the T term denotes some kind of heat treatment.

so, my entire point here, is simple. your little test with the blow torch doesn't prove anything because the conditions of each heating are not the same. you can't just say "well heating its heating it, regardless" because quite simply, its not. you might be right, maybe it does ruin the anno, then again, maybe not. and your little test, is evidence of neither.
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:16 PM #214
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Your changing the structure of the Anodizing, not the aluminum underneath, Which is a Ceramic Aluminum Oxide coating that isnt metal at all, Anodizing under heat begins to become very brittle and cracks.
I have to agree. I noticed this when I was fixing a bent body one time. The heat screwed up the anodizing layer.

I think in any case where heating changes the anodizing color, its also deteriorating the oxide layer. Until proven otherwise, I for one am not going to risk my markers for something that looks cool...
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:17 PM #215
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your markers a tool not a model dont risk it
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:19 PM #216
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well, im gonna stick somthing in the oven right now. see what happens. i got some spare drops and junk like that.
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:20 PM #217
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I'm baking a gloss red and a gloss black 2 piece asa

will post pics later

this is nifty, but I would never do it to my entire gun
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Old 11-27-2007, 10:29 PM #218
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someone should bake a piece, then have it reannod to see if it comes out different...
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Old 11-27-2007, 10:38 PM #219
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I have some stuff I may try it on next time I go home
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:06 PM #220
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alright-


Trinity ASA before



after a little bit of homestyle cookin'



finished



temp: 475ish

time: 50 minutes with no cool down

parts went straight into cool water
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:25 PM #221
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Wow that looks pretty nice. Kind alike copper.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:46 PM #222
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looks good snuff
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:51 PM #223
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I'm going to keep experimenting...

I'd like to get a nice, uniform, dark bronze.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:55 PM #224
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holy ****zor dude lol. you like violated all of the rules that everyone says will prevent it from flaking. hows the anno? have you ride to scratch it off? im thinkign its a lot more brittle now. if not the anno but the actual aluminum itself that straight into water wasnt a good idea lol. and you were about a hundred degrees too high and an hour too shrot.

but who cares. that **** looks good. hows your house smell?
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its nice and smooth

no flaking, and there's only one small blemish, but it was probably dirty

my kitchen's nice and toasty lol but it doesn't smell at all

it did cool for about 5-10 minutes though and only fizzled a little bit

edit: scratch test is good. it's holding up to a knife blade and some hammering.

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lol. must be an old asa for you to be smashin on it not worrying if somethign goes wrong.

so you think if my parents are gone for 2-3 hours i can do this w/o them noticing? i know its all like you shouldnt do this without adult supervision or you could burn the house down, what if somethign goes wrong stuff, but ive done more dangerous things than both my parents combined. not neccesarily on purpose either. point beit idc.

if this turns my minis anno seafom greenish sort of like how diablos came out then im for sure doing everything but body lol. thats the only part id be scared to do. just because if you **** somethign up there its gone.

anybody do this on extremely thin parts? only reason i remembered is the minis manifold plate comes down to 1-2 mm thickness at parts
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hmm im going to do my stock legend barrel and a macdev barrel back, there both black just the macdev back is gloss and the legend barrel is dust. should be good compare them when there done.

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hmm im going to do my stock legend barrel and a macdev barrel back, there both black just the macdev back is gloss and the legend barrel is dust. should be good compare them when there done.

will put pics up
doin em now or tommorow like?
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hahahahahahaha thats awesome, but I dont want to ruin a gun...
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I am still leaning against this whole Idea, but I think it comes down to patience.

It would appear that low temperatures, with longer periods of time.....with a long cool down produce the most consistent, "safest" results. Although if I am spending 3 hours by the oven I am gonna spend it cooking me a fat *** turkey, not a $600 marker.
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Old 11-28-2007, 12:34 AM #231
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