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Old 11-15-2007, 06:17 PM #85
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brass eagle talon andd any vl gun
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:41 PM #86
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The Genesis wasn't that bad... when it worked. Rebels were far worse imho.

I'm going to have to say the Brass Eagle Blade II.
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anything under like $700 sux period thats it, unless its an uped ion a pm7 or a shocker, in my opinion
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anything under like $700 sux period thats it, unless its an uped ion a pm7 or a shocker, in my opinion
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:17 PM #90
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oook everybody give the ion a break its hella cheap for price and its a good starting gun i have a ion and its good better than the brass eagle and spyder stuff.. all spyder is a cheap manufacturer that doesnt no how to make a solid gun all around the ion is good
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:24 PM #91
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:27 PM #92
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:27 PM #93
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Everyone might hate me for this but i think the new DMs and PMs are bad. i can understand if dye wants to make there DM8s lighter, but ull have to take off the body if u wanna get to the eyes, plus there pretty overpriced. and the PM8s r just plain ugly srry to say
That is the stupidest thing I've heard in a while. So what if there not a HUGE improvement over the 07's...still doesn't make them crappy. If your gonna say there the worse, that would mean guns like the blade and talon are better. So think before you talk.
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:33 PM #94
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oook everybody give the ion a break its hella cheap for price and its a good starting gun i have a ion and its good better than the brass eagle and spyder stuff.. all spyder is a cheap manufacturer that doesnt no how to make a solid gun all around the ion is good
Oh the irony...lol.
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You have to leave BE out of this because they are good guns for $15
I have to say spyder compact 2-in-1s. Got one with a mask and a bottle for $150 and it is worse than brass eagle. Constantly breaking, jamming, cant get velocity over 220. Its a failure.
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I like my impulse. It's not as amazing as you say(only has delrin bolt) but it's fairly efficient for what it is, an improvement on a shoebox shocker. And it handles CO2 damn well.

Still going with wannabe spyders. maybe the tac 5 though.
lol improvement over a shoebox shocker, lol those things got like 600 shots per 68 45
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:37 PM #97
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BULL****!

The most efficient guns on the market (Vikings and Cyborgs) cant even get a case off a 68/45 filled to 3000psi. Anyone who knows anything about efficiency knows your either a lier and/or simply have no idea what your talking about.
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dude these impulse loyalists need to get off bill gardners dick.
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im surprised you dont have anything related to HK in your sig or anywhere....

grow up and read the damn facts before trash talking a random gun
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dude these impulse loyalists need to get off bill gardners dick.
Just because I like impulses doesn't mean I like Smart Parts. More of the opposite actually. My first high end was a freak factory impulse, so I have grown a fondness for them in general. I parted out my impulse 18 months ago and have not owned one smart parts product since then. Its really an unfair comparison, I could tell you to hop off the dick of whoever makes a gun you really like, but then I would just look like an idiot.
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:52 PM #101
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actually it is. When I changed my Impulse body to a diffent body, it had some millings in it and the body wasnt brokent in, i couldnt shoot over 245 fps, with my dwell maxed out and my LPR maxed, i also couldnt shoot over 1100 rounds in it, but after it started to break in, that number went up to 1600 rounds per fill, then i sold it to my friend...but nw i dont know how much he's making out of it...and if you havent seen any gun shoot up to those numbers, then maybe you havent been exposed to diffrent markers because my blazer from palmer can shoot 1900-2000 rounds per full 20 oz tank, my brothers blazer can shoot about 1800-1900 per 20 oz tank fill and another of our teammate can only get off 1600 per 20 oz tank fill. all blazers.
We tested out the Blazer to see how many rounds can it shoot in a 12 gram CO2, it can shoot 38 good shots compare to the spyder it only had about 6-8 shots, if you calculate it out, on paper it can shoot 1500-1550 rounds per 20 oz tank, but you have to concider the pressure that it still had in "gas" form, not liquid and you can push out a few more hundred rounds which equals to 1600-2000 rounds more or less. Im no BS'n im just talking form MY EXREIENCE
as for it not shooting over 260 fps thats because it was an imp, they were peices we went through 18 imps in 8 months. we started with 7 visions right when they came out and 1 had a problem out of the box so sp sent us 4 and told us to hang on to the three and just drop em off if we had problems with em. Needless to say we had numerous troubles and only 1 of the original 7 made it to the end of our 8th month span and the best was after a while the our sp rep would just do a complete swap rather than troubleshoot em because they were such a pain for him. i myself had 2 maxflow problems both requiring a rebuild 1 noid blown and twice i had to get my upper board changed and 1 time idk what was wrong. though to be fair we did practice on average 2-3 times a week and we never lubed the regs just oil through the asa cause we werent paying for them.

but at the same velocity a similiar imp will be just as crappy no if ands or buts.

i mean no gun gets efficency that you speak of. The only gun in history was Ken Griffey Jrs EGO 8 getting a case and a half 3000 shots off of a 45ci 3000psi.

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Old 11-15-2007, 08:54 PM #102
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dont like 4 of ur teamates shoot egos? like ryan and 2 little guys?
if anything he prolly would know man. idk an egos an ego imop
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Hmm...this is a difficult choice because there are so many crappy guns out there, but I would have to say the Black Maxx, that is considering that the home-made PVC pipe paintball guns dont count. Or maybe I would say that Brass Eagle that has the safty recall on its screwon thing that break, becuase anything that breaks and allows a CO2 tank to shoot at you is deffinitly a bad gun.

But I dont see how you guys can even think the Shocker is the worst gun ever, sure the price may be a little steep, and nubish people think its the same as Ion just beause its made by Smart-Parts, but it is still a very nice gun. They are up there in my top choices of guns.
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anything under like $700 sux period thats it, unless its an uped ion a pm7 or a shocker, in my opinion
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as for it not shooting over 260 fps thats because it was an imp, they were peices we went through 18 imps in 8 months. we started with 7 visions right when they came out and 1 had a problem out of the box so sp sent us 4 and told us to hang on to the three and just drop em off if we had problems with em. Needless to say we had numerous troubles and only 1 of the original 7 made it to the end of our 8th month span and the best was after a while the our sp rep would just do a complete swap rather than troubleshoot em because they were such a pain for him. i myself had 2 maxflow problems both requiring a rebuild 1 noid blown and twice i had to get my upper board changed and 1 time idk what was wrong. though to be fair we did practice on average 2-3 times a week and we never lubed the regs just oil through the asa cause we werent paying for them.

but at the same velocity a similiar imp will be just as crappy no if ands or buts.


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I didnt want to quote the whole thing, but im lazy right now to pick the topics..so yeah, anyways, before i changed my body, i can shoot well over 300 fps, once i hit 476...the highest i've ever seen was the rainmaker by brass eagle, made 512 fps..anyways, after changing the body, the new body had satin paint in the tube, causing friction, which then caused the bolt to slide a tad slower, which in turn, caused slower fps....if you dont know what that means, it means that the bolt cycled slower and the air released were slower then it was suppose to, just like a nickel hammer made a big difference compare to the brass hammer which was heavier.
Anyways, as for Impulse being messed up, i believe it, my friend who bought an impulse the day day i got it, his messes up all the time and its a PITA to fix all th time, even when we changed everything inside of it its still jacked up! like i always said, "i must be lucky because i never had problems with my SP products" well, besides the shoebox shocker where my max flow jacked up on me once, but its not like i used it..
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