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Old 10-10-2007, 09:11 PM #106
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Now that response just looks like a "cop out" to me! lol
Nope, no cop out. I just haven't seen anyone abuse their power in front of me. 99.9% of cops out there are good cops, I just haven't experienced that .1% yet.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:13 PM #107
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Something I've thought about is are they allowed to administer a sobriety test without any proof? Like can they just pull you over out of the blue and do it?
Nope, at least reasonable suspicion is required to pull you over, period. DUI checkpoints are legit though, as long as they're carried out properly.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:16 PM #108
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Why isn't it considered unconstitutional for kids lockers to be searched at school?

We are essentialy forced to be there, don't act like were not the alternatives are compeletly worthless, and then you can search anything that we bring with us?
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:18 PM #109
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Why isn't it considered unconstitutional for kids lockers to be searched at school?

We are essentialy forced to be there, don't act like were not the alternatives are compeletly worthless, and then you can search anything that we bring with us?
Boo hoo. You don't have your constitutional rights in school, get used to it.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:19 PM #110
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I live in Ga also, so this applies..yay... When I am not at school, i usually carry an assisted opening knife, that has a blade around 3 inches. I am a good kid, but I don't really dress the part, and have been accused of shoplifting before because I took too long to select an energy drink, based solely on my looks i believe (i collect them, so it takes me awhile to remember which of the over 100 cans i already have).. So if a cop were to empty my pockets, lets say because a store called you and you just wanted to see if I had anything, and you saw the knife, would I get in trouble since I am under 18?
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:21 PM #111
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Boo hoo. You don't have your constitutional rights in school, get used to it.
Hah, thats funny to me. Thats exactly the oppsite way the founding of our country went. I bet you can't even tell me why the Judicarcy branch has the power to interpret the constitution, when they got it, or how it works. Fact of the matter is it probably has less to do with the constitution and more with states rights, but I guess its up to who you think has the power in the situation. The Judicarcy branch or the state.

Let's leave the discussion to people who will contribute something? Furthemore I've gotten used to it for the past 17 years. I enjoy it in some cases I guess, but I just wondered. So how about you buzz off?
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It's not a matter of constitutional rights persay. The lockers are the property of the school and the school has rights to its own property. In order for them to gain entry into your bags, however, they must have probable cause. My senses tell me that most of the time they go into THEIR lockers, they have probable cause.
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Racially profiling is illegal, yet I do profile based on conduct. Its hard to describe, but once you've been in law enforcement for a while, you get a certain "feeling" when you look at someone. You learn to read people by their actions, how they carry themselves, and how they speak.

But let me ask you guys this, is this racially profiling or using a criminal profile? You work in a poor, predominantly black and hispanic area of town. You happen to see two white teens wearing Abercrombie clothes, driving a BMW, in the back of a run down apartment complex. They aren't doing anything at the time, but do you think that's suspicious?

I do, but why?
"Because some of these things aren't like the others" just like on sesame street, lol. Nice to see other officers on the boards. 8 years now in law enforcement, 7 in regular patrol and now on our street crimes unit. Haven't read the most part of the thread but will try and keep tabs from now on.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:26 PM #114
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It's not a matter of constitutional rights persay. The lockers are the property of the school and the school has rights to its own property. In order for them to gain entry into your bags, however, they must have probable cause. My senses tell me that most of the time they go into THEIR lockers, they have probable cause.
Then how can you force a student to put something into your property. Its just like impounding a car so you can search it. Its utterly redicilous, and why the loop hole exists is beyond me.
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Then how can you force a student to put something into your property. Its just like impounding a car so you can search it. Its utterly redicilous, and why the loop hole exists is beyond me.
my suggestion is to not use a locker if you don't want them to search it. I personally carry my backpack around with me all day. I am admittedly a rather "suspicious looking" kid, and I could fit anything from a dagger to a sawed off in that pack, but I have never been searched or even asked to open my bag. They have to have probable cause to search anything that is on you I believe, so don't give them reason and your good...unless your school won't let you carry around your backpacks.. (the only rule is that we can't bring them to lunch)
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my suggestion is to not use a locker if you don't want them to search it. I personally carry my backpack around with me all day. I am admittedly a rather "suspicious looking" kid, and I could fit anything from a dagger to a sawed off in that pack, but I have never been searched or even asked to open my bag. They have to have probable cause to search anything that is on you I believe, so don't give them reason and your good...unless your school won't let you carry around your backpacks.. (the only rule is that we can't bring them to lunch)
Its never really going to matter to me. I won't ever get searched, I was just pondering it.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:49 PM #117
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oh..well in that case, yeah, it is total bs that they can just search your locker, but theres not too much you can do about it :/ I jsut don't put anything incriminating in them...if i was gonan bring a gun or somethin..pocket or backpack..but i dont really think thatll be an issue.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:52 PM #118
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What is your opinion on radar detectors/jammers? Will you hit someone who has one with a harder fine?
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Say your under 21 and your passenger is also. You get pulled over while being a designated driver for your buddy. Does the cop have the right to breathalize your passenger?
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Radar detectors are legal in some states, illegal in others, with some exceptions. Check http://www.ncsl.org/programs/transportation/radar.htm for your state.

You cannot give someone a heftier fine/penalty for having a radar detector, but if I pull someone over for speeding and see they have a radar detector, the chances of them getting out of the ticket are almost nonexistent.
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Old 10-10-2007, 10:12 PM #121
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Why isn't it considered unconstitutional for kids lockers to be searched at school?

We are essentialy forced to be there, don't act like were not the alternatives are compeletly worthless, and then you can search anything that we bring with us?
Its legal because the Supreme Court says so.
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Old 10-10-2007, 10:14 PM #122
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ap, any idea on the knife situation? (up a few posts)
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Old 10-10-2007, 10:14 PM #123
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Its legal because the Supreme Court says so.
Wow, what a ****ty answer. What if I advocate states rights, and think the Marbury vs Madison trail was a cheap tatic for the Central government to become unconsitutionaly powerful. Then what sir? Or do you know anything about it and your just going to give me some smartass answer again?

I'm guessing the ladder, so since in the other thread you told me you thought about laws, whats your justification for this law? Or are you just proving my point again?
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Kids lockers can be searched at school because the school owns the lockers. That however, made me think of a similar question.

I live in campus housing, so do police or university staff need a warrant to search my campus apartment or dorms? If not, can they dig through my personnal belongings?
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I live in Ga also, so this applies..yay... When I am not at school, i usually carry an assisted opening knife, that has a blade around 3 inches. I am a good kid, but I don't really dress the part, and have been accused of shoplifting before because I took too long to select an energy drink, based solely on my looks i believe (i collect them, so it takes me awhile to remember which of the over 100 cans i already have).. So if a cop were to empty my pockets, lets say because a store called you and you just wanted to see if I had anything, and you saw the knife, would I get in trouble since I am under 18?
Hey, I've been approached by Walmart security for standing in front of the wireless routers too long trying to decide which one I wanted...and I was dressed fairly decently.

I can't legally search your pockets, but I'd probably ask...though shoplifting is a little different in the fact that the stores have to press charges against you (atleast in my county).

I'll have to double check the concealed weapon law, but I don't think your 3in blade would be illegal to carry in your pocket. Don't quote me on this, but in GA I think it has to be a 4in blade for it to be considered a concealed weapon (check www.findlaw.com).
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my suggestion is to not use a locker if you don't want them to search it. I personally carry my backpack around with me all day. I am admittedly a rather "suspicious looking" kid, and I could fit anything from a dagger to a sawed off in that pack, but I have never been searched or even asked to open my bag. They have to have probable cause to search anything that is on you I believe, so don't give them reason and your good...unless your school won't let you carry around your backpacks.. (the only rule is that we can't bring them to lunch)
They can search your backpack too....why? Because the Supreme Court says so.
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